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Child's friend parent on sexual offender register

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springisspringing1 · 24/04/2025 13:57

I live in a smallish town - only one primary school and only one class per year. My DC is in reception. One of the children's fathers was found guilty of looking at child sex photographs and online grooming of a young teen girl. He is on the sexual offender register. The mother has retained a close relationship with the father (they may still be together - I don't know her well enough). We have kids' birthday parties all the time and eg when she hosts one, the father is likely to be there. I don't want my children near this man. I just don't. I think she's keen for him to be reintegrated into the (quite small) community. AIBU is, I suppose, to make it clear I don't want him to bring their child to my child's party? (I will just make an excuse for their party). Also - is this unfair on my child's friend (who is obviously only 4 too). This is not something that is going to go away -- and want to work out how to manage it now. Please be kind - I absolutely know it is not the mother or the child's fault.

OP posts:
CheekyPombear · 24/04/2025 22:49

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 24/04/2025 14:05

you need to support opportunities to allow man to be reintegrated

Fuck that, with bells on.

It's not any child's job to be a rehabilitation aid for a fucking paedophile.

Exactly. These monsters can never be cured.

Schoolrunstyle88 · 24/04/2025 22:43

Just to be even more vehement on the topic if I wasn’t clear enough… there was CSA in my wider family. My immediate family cut off and reported everything they knew. Unfortunately children involved in CSA quite often protect their abusers for various reasons.

i don’t know why you’d even consider associating with these people. Incomprehensible to me and I’m far from the perfect parent. Absolute, proven risk of harm though?!?!? Wake up!?!?

LemonadeSunshine · 24/04/2025 22:40

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 24/04/2025 14:05

you need to support opportunities to allow man to be reintegrated

Fuck that, with bells on.

It's not any child's job to be a rehabilitation aid for a fucking paedophile.

This is the only answer that would apply to my child.

FunMustard · 24/04/2025 22:34

I'm with you OP.

I recognise my kid would probably not be "at risk" from this dude, but I don't want to associate with a mother that would defend a paedophile, OR with her paedophile husband.

I'm sorry if that's sad for the kid, but I am not responsible for putting aside my feelings and my children's safety to appease a paedophile and his apologist wife so their kid isn't excluded. I wouldn't have a problem if I could be certain the dad wouldn't be around - I can't, so I'm sorry, my child will not be going to your house and while I'm ok with your kid coming here, I will not be associating with your husband. Ever.

Maybe that's unfair and bit scorched earth. Frankly, I'm not sure I care.

Schoolrunstyle88 · 24/04/2025 22:33

Haven’t rtft but you don’t let your child anywhere near the filthy bastard, surely!?!? Yeah, anyone could be a sex offender but you KNOW this man is. Show absolutely no sympathy or understanding because those emotions will be used against you and potentially your child. It’s not the mother’s “fault” but if she’s stayed with him then in my eyes she’s as good as complicit. At least brainwashed.

Namerchangee · 24/04/2025 22:27

No @Praying4Peace, the OP most certainly does NOT ‘need to support opportunities to allow man to be reintegrated, without putting anymore at risk’. That is not her responsibility at all!

OP - your children are not at risk from this man if you are at the party, supervising contact between this man (should he be there) and your children should he even talk to them or be close by.

Your children would be at risk if you left them at the party unsupervised in his company. He is a convicted sex offender and you need to protect your children.

Personally, my DC wouldn’t be going to this party as I would not feel comfortable with him being close to my children, even supervised. As horrible as it sounds, the feelings of his child do not trump the safety of mine. I feel sorry for his child, but it’s not my fault. Perhaps the mother needs to reevaluate her relationship with him.

InterIgnis · 24/04/2025 22:23

Justgoodforthegetting · 24/04/2025 21:10

Oh grow up and stop being contrary just for the sake of it. You know as well as I do that’s not what I said.

Not using those exact words, but the sentiment is the same.

This man’s child is not OP’s responsibility, and while it’s unfortunate, OP including her means increasing the risk her father poses to OP’s
children. For a child, ‘my friend’s dad’, especially when that dad is living in the family home and presenting/being presented as ‘normal’, is very likely to be seen as someone that doesn’t pose a threat. We know that this particular one does.

Any scars she bears as a result of being excluded will be because of her parents, not because of the parents taking appropriate action to keep their own children safe.

Theunamedcat · 24/04/2025 22:14

And he dumped her too he is sniffing around other single parents

Theunamedcat · 24/04/2025 22:13

Lady on my road lost her children because she remained in a relationship with a paedophile she couldn't hide it after she got pregnant by him again they told her again you cannot have him around your children and took the children her first step was not to work on herself and get the children back it was to move him in to the house to "support" her she lost her kids permanently lost the baby then her mind

potenial · 24/04/2025 22:09

It might be worth checking in with someone at the school and just asking what their rules are on him being on school grounds etc. You don't have to let that affect your decision, but it'd be good for you to know, before you have a chat with the child's mum. It also might mean you end up letting the school know that actually, he's breaking their rules and has been at the school gates etc, and they can escalate as needed.

It's very reasonable to say 'We're not comfortable with Bob being around our children, or in our home, due to the fact he's a registered sex offender. When we invite little Billy around for a playdate or birthday party, please accompany him yourself, as we won't have Bob in our home. We won't be attending anything at yours, as we know Bob still lives with you.'

Tbh, I think the more people who say something like this might bring some sense to the mum about not having her own children around a registered sex offender either!

qandatime · 24/04/2025 22:09

YANBU
He is a pedophile and shouldn’t be near any child ever. especially his own.
I find it shocking that the mum is trying to bury her head in the sand and hopes everyone forgives and forgets.
BUT The poor kid that’s stuck with these two idiots is completely innocent in this and shouldn’t be shunned.
I would take the mum to one side and tell her the truth.. Nobody wants to not let her son come to birthday parties but no sane parent is going to accept her pedophile ex/or still current partner.
Balls in her court, I know this is very pushy and impolite but please don’t let a sex offender around your child just to be kind.

NaiceBalonz · 24/04/2025 22:03

AnotherNaCha · 24/04/2025 14:13

Agree with this absolutely. And please don’t judge the mum. She may well be with him so the daughter isn’t in his custody alone at any time :(

I'm sorry I'm definitely going to judge a woman for staying with a bloody pedophile, and so should everyone. She's just as bad as he is, for staying.

springisspringing1 · 24/04/2025 21:57

grumpygrape · 24/04/2025 21:39

OP, I realise you are trying to steer a middle course, be fair, be kind to your child and his friend, etc. etc., but please remember the comments regarding him becoming ‘normalised’ as a ‘Safe Dad’. Mitigating risk by trying to be present at contacts is all well and good but, as others have said, if he is flagged as Safe Dad now, what happens in the future when your child or a younger sibling meets Safe Dad and suddenly it turns out he isn’t Safe ?

I was sexually abused by the father of my brother’s best friend when I was 12. It happened when his wife, my father, my brother and his mate were all in the house but in other rooms. This was over 50 years ago and I was very naïve. In hindsight, I think if I’d told my father he would have gone down the ‘don’t be stupid, don’t tell lies’ etc. route, after all, the perpetrator was a good bloke….he was the father of my brother’s best friend wasn’t he ? A Safe Dad.

I’ve told very few people about this but it has affected me through my life. I thought I’d buried it but when my brother mentioned, in passing, a couple of years ago, did I remember X as he’d just died ? I was poleaxed. My brother just kept rambling on as is his wont but I finished the call as soon as possible and spent the next 2 hours sobbing. I’m mid-late 60s and it still has the power to affect me to my core.

Please heed the warnings about normalising this man as a Safe Dad. He might be now but I’m afraid the balance of probabilities suggest Sexual Offenders do not reform.

If I was in your position I would ask the Police if I am entitled to more information; attending in person at the Police Station to ask might give you a better feeling of what is possible and gets rid of the emailing to and fro numerous times.

Are you friendly enough with another parent to be confident they would be honest with you about how they feel ? It may be there are a lot of you not wanting to be seen to be ‘unkind’ but are worried.

I think I would veer on the side of seeming a bit odd rather than expose my child to a known sex offender. Oh, and as others have said, his wife has her own problems to steer through but I’m afraid I wouldn’t be 100% sure I would trust her not to have her husband around the children.

Final thought. Looking at photos online is what is often referred to as an ‘entry’ offence but he has also been convicted of what might be considered as a ‘next stage’ offence of grooming. There are three ways an offender can go. Back to non-offending, staying at the same level and escalating. I don’t know which way this man might go but neither do any other posters on here.

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Thank you for telling your story. It does v much reinforce my sense of not wanting to take any sort of risk at all.

OP posts:
Teaandtoastserveddaily · 24/04/2025 21:57

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 24/04/2025 14:05

you need to support opportunities to allow man to be reintegrated

Fuck that, with bells on.

It's not any child's job to be a rehabilitation aid for a fucking paedophile.

Exactly this.

I couldn't have this despicable man anywhere near my children as I'd assume he'd be watching the children and getting off to it.

Disgusting.
I can't believe how many people are defending this man.

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 21:50

grumpygrape I'm so sorry you were harmed.

My brother just kept rambling on as is his wont but I finished the call as soon as possible and spent the next 2 hours sobbing. I’m mid-late 60s and it still has the power to affect me to my core.

It just never goes away, does it? My heart hurts for you.

Nsbgsyebebdnd · 24/04/2025 21:46

As unfair as it may be, I’d stick with my gut instinct of avoiding contact with the family where possible (without being rude) and not encourage a friendship with their child. Very tough on the mum and son but it’s a parental instinct in me I think

Blueberry911 · 24/04/2025 21:45

AnotherNaCha · 24/04/2025 21:39

Don’t ask me why. That is the law. It prioritises father’s rights over the safety of children. It absolutely happens, even if they’ve abused their own child. Maybe if more people are aware of it, change would happen

It was more @justgoodforthegetting saying

Ultimately, your child will come into contact with many paedophiles throughout their childhood, just most of them you’ll have no idea about…I’d argue that’s probably the ones you need to worry about more.

🙄

Bigfatsunandclouds · 24/04/2025 21:45

I know a family where their son was convicted and imprisoned for viewing CSA, he came out and all the family minimised his behaviour 'hes not a risk, he only looked', he was also 'monitored', still managed to abuse his niece whilst everyone was in the house 'supervising' him.

Crazyworldmum · 24/04/2025 21:43

It shocks me to the core that this country allows sexual predators to still have contact with their own children . This system is so messed up . It socks me even more a mother allows this to happen .
I wouldn’t want anything to do with the family , yes I pity that child but not to my own child’s safety

AnotherNaCha · 24/04/2025 21:42

MoodyMargaret11 · 24/04/2025 21:39

Absolutely, but what I also don't understand is why he is legally allowed to have unsupervised contact with his own child in the first place - why is the law not protecting his poor child??

The laws around this absolutely prioritise fathers’ rights over the safety of children. It happens ALL the time. It’s hard to reckon but it’s absolutely true, absolutely shocking and it needs more awareness

madaboutpurple · 24/04/2025 21:41

Dinosaurshoebox, I agree with you totally. I remember some years ago there was a television personality who was convicted of various offences and his point of view seemed to be life should go on as normal. A drama was made of it on television. Children need protecting from people like him and this individual.

Startrekkeruniverse · 24/04/2025 21:40

“Molly is of course invited to the party but your husband won’t be welcome in my home”. Simple as that (assuming you want to include the kid)

AnotherNaCha · 24/04/2025 21:40

Blueberry911 · 24/04/2025 21:39

So much questionable parenting on this thread.

I would never let this man even up my drive way, nor would I let my child in his/child's mums house. However, I'd let mum know that the child is welcome to my child's birthday party, however X isn't so please ensure he's not the one bringing her. She won't be surprised, it was publicised.

Everyone saying about him being no more risk/you don't know which other males are a risk, I'm actually a bit sickened. Other people may be a risk, but that doesn't mean you let a known pedophile in your house 🤨

When I said you don’t know if other men are safe I absolutely didn’t condone letting a sex offender near a child. I meant, be aware of all males

MoodyMargaret11 · 24/04/2025 21:39

springisspringing1 · 24/04/2025 14:04

I totally take your point, which is why I am asking the question. It doesn't seem fair at all. But equally, what is the alternative? To be perfectly honest, if my DH was done for grooming/child sex abuse images, he would be gone from my life, so it does slightly raise concerns that the mother is still v involved with him.

Absolutely, but what I also don't understand is why he is legally allowed to have unsupervised contact with his own child in the first place - why is the law not protecting his poor child??

TheOccupier · 24/04/2025 21:39

I would exclude the child from parties in this situation, and discourage any friendship. If his own mum's not worried about his social life I don't see why I should be.