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Is my friend outrageously entitled in her expectations?

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MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 11:52

I moved to my current town 18 years ago and got to know a woman renting a house on the cheap from a local who was off travelling. She was an interesting woman who'd given up her teaching job after a few years and gone travelling to SE Asia and South America, teaching English. Very laid back, getting by on benefits and subs from friends and family. Used to do a few hours at the local pub or shop for cash in hand and when she'd built up enough, buy an air ticket and take off to Hawaii or India for a month or two, picking up bar work or sleeping on the beach when she got there, always anticipating that someone would help her out.

About 12 years ago she met a man and moved in with him in Devon. It didn't work out and she ended up in a caravan and, when she turned 55, was housed in a flat in a 55+ development. But she's unhappy: there's noise, one of her neighbours drinks and plays music loud, another has serious MH issues. I visited her there a couple of years ago and thought it was actually rather nice: smart modern flat in a very desirable Devon town and no issues on the days I was there. I've said to her that even in the smartest private flats you can end up living next door to someone noisy but she says she's not prepared to put up with it.

She wants a bungalow with two bedrooms, so she can have a yoga/ meditation/ craft room. She wants a south-facing garden she can tend. It's got to be within walking distance of a decent town, but somewhere quiet and peaceful with a green outlook. And parking because she has a car. She's found a number of HAs (one here near me, where she used to live, one where she lives now and a third in the Bristol area) that have a tiny number of properties that fit her bill. All of them have been built for disabled people. She's been driving around inspecting them and knows precisely which ones she's after.

She's asked for my support to try and get one of her chosen properties in this area. I'm not sure what that will entail, but I suspect it'll involve spinning the truth to match the HA criteria. I've told her very clearly that I don't think there's any way she'll actually get one of these properties and she needs to compromise, but she says that if you don't ask firmly you don't get. Is this how it is now? I don't know what to make of it.

OP posts:
MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 12:57

I also feel the need to add that she only twice asked me for help before this time. Once she needed some money to pay a bill. I lent it to her and she paid me back within the month. And once she asked if I would allow her to stay for one night and have a bath and a hot meal while she was here. She'd been on one of her trips and had been living in her car. I volunteered the use of my washing machine. It's how we stayed friends. I didn't see her as a CF.

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willowthecat · 24/04/2025 12:56

She won't get one if they are for the disabled - does she want you to lie and say she has a disability ? She would need much more in the way of proof, my son lives in purpose built accomodation for the disabled and it took years of negotiation with the Health and Social Care Partnership

5128gap · 24/04/2025 12:55

No harm whatsoever in wanting what she wants. No harm in asking for it either. Very few people get what they want in life because they're the most deserving of it, many enjoy their lifestyles as result of a combination of luck, taking advantage of others and pushiness. The difference tends to be that they call it their career.
I very much doubt how ever firmly she asks or what she spins she will secure a bungalow designed for a disabled person unless she can prove she has a disability. The exception may be if (as in my town) the number of this type of property is higher than demand, so they may be more flexible and she may drop lucky. Its no harm to you either way and if you don't want to help her, just tell her no.

EmeraldRoulette · 24/04/2025 12:55

SusieSheepie · 24/04/2025 12:51

This, I don't see what you'd actually be doing?

I also don't get OP's outrage at someone wanting to live in a particular type of property, don't we all want to be able to choose where we live?

Yes but not if we are using taxpayer funded resources that have been allocated for a vulnerable group. No decent person takes that route to getting the home they want.

SnoozingFox · 24/04/2025 12:54

She's just one of life's takers who has never taken responsibility in her life.

Outrageistheopiateofthemasses · 24/04/2025 12:52

Her previous lifestyle sounds amazing.

But please don't assist her in gaming the system to someone else's disadvantage. Especially when she has contributed so little herself ( teaching period aside).

IceColdChardonayPls · 24/04/2025 12:52

PruthePrune · 24/04/2025 11:54

She sounds like a over entitled freeloader. Don't have anything to do with her HA application.

First post nailed it.

she sounds unbearable, to be honest.

SusieSheepie · 24/04/2025 12:51

Divebar2021 · 24/04/2025 12:14

How does a person assist in these cases anyway ? Are you just helping in a “friend” capacity or do you actually have a connected profession that she’s relying on?

This, I don't see what you'd actually be doing?

I also don't get OP's outrage at someone wanting to live in a particular type of property, don't we all want to be able to choose where we live?

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 24/04/2025 12:51

Wow, people like this really make me wonder why I've worked my nuts off over the years. She's a proper CF.

LadyKenya · 24/04/2025 12:50

she's prepared to elbow someone disabled out of the way if she can.

She will have a lot of trouble trying to convince any LA, that her housing needs are based on disability, if she has no record of having any. They require proof!

CruCru · 24/04/2025 12:48

Very laid back, getting by on benefits and subs from friends and family

Run far, far away. Once you take a step back, she will move onto the next person.

MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 12:47

Thanks for all the responses. I used to watch her living this free and easy lifestyle while I was paying the mortgage and working FT and envy her and wonder what it was about her that gave her the courage to live freely like that. I guess I wanted to learn from her. I didn't envy the times when she came back from Hawaii or wherever and had to live in her car or sofa-surf with friends, but somehow something always came up for her. She has done a lot of volunteering in the last decade and is supportive to others. When I broke my leg she came to visit for a few days and mowed my lawn and cut my hedges and scrubbed all my hard floors, which I couldn't do.

To whoever said I don't like her: I think it's come home to me, with a thump, how ruthless and self-focussed she is. She's always been this gentle-hippy-chick type: easy going, peace and love to the world. But when it comes to a two-bed bungalow, she's prepared to elbow someone disabled out of the way if she can. It's opened my eyes to how essentially different our values are.

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Energe · 24/04/2025 12:45

Just nod and smile and don’t get involved

BumpyaDaisyevna · 24/04/2025 12:41

She sounds younger than her years and with a poor insight into reality, to be honest.

Mrsbloggz · 24/04/2025 12:41

If I was in your shoes op I think I would keep in touch with this woman just to satisfy my own curiosity about how things work out for her.
BUT, I would also swerve and dodge, duck and dive, make sure I never actually do anything or put myself out or expend any effort to help her.

Powereddown · 24/04/2025 12:26

ValentinesGranny · 24/04/2025 11:59

Without proof of disability it won't go anywhere.

This. I used to work in housing and properties suitable for those with disabilities are always in low supply and high demand.

In my life, I have noticed a high overlap between benefit freeloading and 'alternative free spirit types'. They are all perfectly capable of work but do somehow feel entitled to no work and take the money from those who do.

BarneyRonson · 24/04/2025 12:26

There are so many people playing the system and she’s just one more. The problem is, it’s hard to respect or like people like this. I feel for you. You find her interesting, she’s unusual, but there’s a drawback to her lack of honesty, which leaves a bad taste in your mouth. If it were me I’d have to refuse to help, and explain I’m not comfortable with dishonesty.

HauntedBungalow · 24/04/2025 12:24

She sounds unrealistic rather than entitled. But then you appear not to like her very much so I guess you'll see whatever she does in a negative light.

She's not going to be considered for a two bedroom place so she's wasting her time. She'd be better off finding a one bedroom with nicer neighbours with scope to divide either the living room or bedroom so she can have a separate space for her hobbies. I don't see how you getting involved in the application would change anything, unless you're an MP or such.

Seeyouincourtkeithyoutwat · 24/04/2025 12:22

Why would you want a 'friend' like her?

Ablondiebutagoody · 24/04/2025 12:21

Good on her. The benefits system encourages you to grab what you can. If a million people per year from overseas can play the game, why not her?

Divebar2021 · 24/04/2025 12:17

And to answer your question yes she is entitled. I’m sure we could find some profound piece of learning in relation to “ reaping what you sow” that would be applicable in this situation.

Divebar2021 · 24/04/2025 12:14

How does a person assist in these cases anyway ? Are you just helping in a “friend” capacity or do you actually have a connected profession that she’s relying on?

Loopytiles · 24/04/2025 12:13

I’d say nothing but decline assisting with her housing situation in any way.

Fundays12 · 24/04/2025 12:13

As someone who part bought a property designed for disabled people I highly doubt she will get one without significant medical evidence.

We had to provide evidence of all diagnosis of medical conditions on NHS headed paper, NHS OT reports and disability reports before we could even be considered to part buy a house built for families with a disabled person in it. All the local authority disability houses in my area were allocated to families with children who had a disability or who had a parent with one. They can't allocated disability houses to people that don't need them.

mindutopia · 24/04/2025 12:10

Just don’t get involved. We get loads of these sorts down in Devon and Cornwall. Have been off freewheeling through life for decades, picking a bit of fruit here, selling some hemp bracelets and incense at a festival there, doing the van life thing, and now times are harder and they want somewhere to pitch up, but it has to come with all these requirements, sea view and close to the beach, nice sunsets, dog friendly, free electric and water, etc. A lot of people are ageing out of that lifestyle and especially with cost of living, it’s not easy to have no safety net and to be too old for seasonal grafting. I personally would just nod and say good luck. But don’t get involved.