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Is my friend outrageously entitled in her expectations?

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MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 11:52

I moved to my current town 18 years ago and got to know a woman renting a house on the cheap from a local who was off travelling. She was an interesting woman who'd given up her teaching job after a few years and gone travelling to SE Asia and South America, teaching English. Very laid back, getting by on benefits and subs from friends and family. Used to do a few hours at the local pub or shop for cash in hand and when she'd built up enough, buy an air ticket and take off to Hawaii or India for a month or two, picking up bar work or sleeping on the beach when she got there, always anticipating that someone would help her out.

About 12 years ago she met a man and moved in with him in Devon. It didn't work out and she ended up in a caravan and, when she turned 55, was housed in a flat in a 55+ development. But she's unhappy: there's noise, one of her neighbours drinks and plays music loud, another has serious MH issues. I visited her there a couple of years ago and thought it was actually rather nice: smart modern flat in a very desirable Devon town and no issues on the days I was there. I've said to her that even in the smartest private flats you can end up living next door to someone noisy but she says she's not prepared to put up with it.

She wants a bungalow with two bedrooms, so she can have a yoga/ meditation/ craft room. She wants a south-facing garden she can tend. It's got to be within walking distance of a decent town, but somewhere quiet and peaceful with a green outlook. And parking because she has a car. She's found a number of HAs (one here near me, where she used to live, one where she lives now and a third in the Bristol area) that have a tiny number of properties that fit her bill. All of them have been built for disabled people. She's been driving around inspecting them and knows precisely which ones she's after.

She's asked for my support to try and get one of her chosen properties in this area. I'm not sure what that will entail, but I suspect it'll involve spinning the truth to match the HA criteria. I've told her very clearly that I don't think there's any way she'll actually get one of these properties and she needs to compromise, but she says that if you don't ask firmly you don't get. Is this how it is now? I don't know what to make of it.

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caringcarer · 25/04/2025 03:21

Mosaic123 · 24/04/2025 11:55

Well if no lies are involved then I suppose it's ok.

If she is taking a property away from a disabled person that can't be be right, unless the HA don't have enough suitable people to rent to (seems unlikely) .

This. If they are built for disabled people obviously they should get them.

Kirbert2 · 25/04/2025 01:48

I live in an adapted property which is a council house due to my son suddenly becoming disabled and our old privately rented property deemed unsuitable for his needs. We were incredibly lucky and were only waiting for a month before the property came up and we had to provide lots of evidence including my son's OT and Physio going to our old property and actually seeing for themselves it was unsuitable so they could write evidence to support it. The LA also had a conversation with the hospital my son was at because he couldn't be discharged without suitable housing.

She can want something all she likes but she isn't going to get it.

KittenKins · 25/04/2025 01:23

KittenKins · 25/04/2025 01:10

Bungalows are in short supply, in some areas none have been built for years.

The disabled already have to complete with the elderly for such accomodation & I'd hope that no one with any compassion would support another person in taking one from someone with no other options.

I live in an M4 (2) house, aka one built with the ability to add a lift or stairlift etc with ease due to how it was built. My specific needs mean a lift won't work for me. For the first time in 30 years five bungalows are being built in my town. One is (hopefully) being built with my needs in mind.

The other poor sods in my town will be fighting over them. Everyone with even a minor walking issue thinks they need one & will bid. Most of them could use an alternative option.

Unless your area builds whole estates of bungalows as far as the eye can see then she is not a nice human being.

Don't assist in screwing up the lives of others just so this person can have a yoga room.

Disability is the only minority you can join at anytime of life remember.

Oh & most benefits stop after four weeks out of the country, so your friend either has permission for medical reasons or such like, or is committing fraud.

Oh & I'm several years into my wait simply to access a bedroom & a shower. So many disabled people have long waits. I couldn't assist someone in cheating the system as she wants. She won't qualify on the grounds stated.

KittenKins · 25/04/2025 01:10

Bungalows are in short supply, in some areas none have been built for years.

The disabled already have to complete with the elderly for such accomodation & I'd hope that no one with any compassion would support another person in taking one from someone with no other options.

I live in an M4 (2) house, aka one built with the ability to add a lift or stairlift etc with ease due to how it was built. My specific needs mean a lift won't work for me. For the first time in 30 years five bungalows are being built in my town. One is (hopefully) being built with my needs in mind.

The other poor sods in my town will be fighting over them. Everyone with even a minor walking issue thinks they need one & will bid. Most of them could use an alternative option.

Unless your area builds whole estates of bungalows as far as the eye can see then she is not a nice human being.

Don't assist in screwing up the lives of others just so this person can have a yoga room.

Disability is the only minority you can join at anytime of life remember.

Oh & most benefits stop after four weeks out of the country, so your friend either has permission for medical reasons or such like, or is committing fraud.

Booboobagins · 25/04/2025 00:53

Someone else sponging off the tax payers back - couldn't be bothered to work and pay for a life and now expects me to pay for it! I am sooo sick of it.

Anyways ref the bungalow, they're normally saved for people with physical disabilities, wouldnt she be better to find a different flat where she is? The warden should be managing loud music etc so has she even raised the issue? If she hadn't noone will look to move her anyway.

SavageTomato · 25/04/2025 00:18

She's a typical hippy grifter. Expects everything on a plate. Here's the interesting bit, that she won't tell you about directly. She's got assets and probably a private income. But she'll never admit to that because it would mean she couldn't legally claim dhss and it would mean she'd been ripping everyone off for her whole life. Steer well fucking clear. You are her next mark,as in victim. Never trust a fake hippy.

Mumof2girls2121 · 24/04/2025 22:25

Nothing wrong with wanting. It’s up to her HA if she’s eligible for one

wastingtimeonhere · 24/04/2025 22:00

I knew a 'hippy' couple, married with kids. Got a council house when it was a lot easier. Exchanged to a village so that there were no job opportunities, no transport. They had an old banger that they drove to town once a week to get shopping. Didn't work after that. Had no intention of working beyond craft stuff at summer festivals. For some its a lifestyle they are happy with and in those days easy enough to do. The OPs friend probably still thinks it's doable today, if acquaintances in the past on 'the circuit' lived their lives that way. There will probably be 200 on the list for those bungalows. Having enough points to get a 2 bed as a single person won't be easy. She would only have a shout if it was undesirable.

MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 21:13

AFrankExchangeofViews · 24/04/2025 17:41

I have a relative with a personality disorder / mental health issues and I think this perspective is part and parcel of it. Similar life too, drifting around, but actually unable to commit to anything or stick with it. Grandiose, it seems entitled (and it is) but its more than that, its not grounded in reality. Probably the best thing you can do is try to kindly offer some realism. But to be honest I think the fantasies keep them going, and they crash quite hard when reality bangs up against it.

If you'd suggested this to me a month ago I wouldn't have believed it. But after some of our more recent conversations I think you may be quite accurate. And that, presumably, is why she's on benefits.

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MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 21:09

She is entirely funded by benefits: hasn't worked formally and paid NI for much of her adult life. So it's free for her. I don't know what benefits she's on or why. It's just not something she talks about. She was on benefits when we met 18 years ago, she's on them now and that's all I know.

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Furtivenasturtium · 24/04/2025 20:32

MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 17:29

I don't think she would agree with you that it worked for her. She seems to feel that being accommodated for free in a one-bedroom flat in a rather desirable town that others choose to move to is some kind of punishment.

Surely it's rented, not free? No social housing in this country is free. Housing associations tend to have quite high rents.

UsernamePain · 24/04/2025 18:17

I work for LA in the housing dept- she would struggle to use you to prove her local connection to the area if she is moving out of her local authority. She would need to provide proof of residence for a close family member (parent, sibling, child). Friends won’t be accepted

uncomfortablydumb60 · 24/04/2025 17:58

She won’t listen to reason from you

uncomfortablydumb60 · 24/04/2025 17:58

She’s a lazy loser, expecting life handed to her on a plate.
step back, play dumb and do nothing to help her

rainingsnoring · 24/04/2025 17:57

PruthePrune · 24/04/2025 11:54

She sounds like a over entitled freeloader. Don't have anything to do with her HA application.

This above.

I wouldn't get involved if I was you. I very much doubt that she will get what she wants. There are others with much greater need.

RosesAndHellebores · 24/04/2025 17:51

You were unreasonable to stay friends for so long with a scrounger who could have worked but chose not to, thereby expecting everyone else to subsidise her life from their tax payments.

I would not support this.

AFrankExchangeofViews · 24/04/2025 17:41

I have a relative with a personality disorder / mental health issues and I think this perspective is part and parcel of it. Similar life too, drifting around, but actually unable to commit to anything or stick with it. Grandiose, it seems entitled (and it is) but its more than that, its not grounded in reality. Probably the best thing you can do is try to kindly offer some realism. But to be honest I think the fantasies keep them going, and they crash quite hard when reality bangs up against it.

Scousemousey · 24/04/2025 17:37

CruCru · 24/04/2025 12:48

Very laid back, getting by on benefits and subs from friends and family

Run far, far away. Once you take a step back, she will move onto the next person.

I had a lovely friend like this.
You'll find she's only your friend whilst you're useful to her. Take a step back, see what happens.

Hastentoadd · 24/04/2025 17:34

MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 17:29

I don't think she would agree with you that it worked for her. She seems to feel that being accommodated for free in a one-bedroom flat in a rather desirable town that others choose to move to is some kind of punishment.

Did you point out to her that without this flat that she is currently in ( which sounds fine) that she would be homeless and beggars can’t be choosers

Definitely entitled behaviour, but she has the mentality of someone who has been on long term benefits ( for no specific reason other than they don’t want to work) and that is to grab as much as you can

triballeader · 24/04/2025 17:30

DS lives in a MIND supported flat. It’s ring fenced for need and even with all the provided medical evidence there were another 70 people with a similar level of genuine need for the place. He now cannot move out due to the OH statement of physical need and housing stating his needs for a home are more than fully meet for his additional physical needs. Social Housing of any description is hard to come by and that developed specifically for disabilities is as rare as hens teeth to get. For the record I have no idea how DS was placed first even with his input of evidence from all supportive services.

MariadeiMiracoli · 24/04/2025 17:29

I don't think she would agree with you that it worked for her. She seems to feel that being accommodated for free in a one-bedroom flat in a rather desirable town that others choose to move to is some kind of punishment.

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C152 · 24/04/2025 17:26

Well, she's right - you don't ask, you don't get. I also rather like her attitude of, "What's the problem with aiming for what you really want and what would bring you happiness, instead of just settling for what you're offered?"

I doubt she will get a 2 bedroom bungalow if she has no medical evidence supporting the need for it, but if she doesn't ask, she definitely won't. There's no reason you have to help (whatever that may entail), or remain friends, if you don't want to.

I don't understand your attitude towards someone who sounds like like a pretty decent human being - helping you when you needed it, volunteering etc...it does sound a bit like envy may be clouding your view. I don't think living hand to mouth, as she was, equates to a 'free and easy' lifestyle. I'd find it pretty stressful not knowing where I was going to sleep or where my next meal was coming from. But it worked for her, as your choices did for you. You make it sound like she's somehow gotten away with something by not having a mortgage or a 'normal' life.

LBFseBrom · 24/04/2025 17:22

Mosaic123 · 24/04/2025 11:55

Well if no lies are involved then I suppose it's ok.

If she is taking a property away from a disabled person that can't be be right, unless the HA don't have enough suitable people to rent to (seems unlikely) .

That's what I thought.

SusieSheepie · 24/04/2025 17:22

EmeraldRoulette · 24/04/2025 13:26

@SusieSheepie why have you quoted me in your answer?

What I'm saying, in case it's not clear...is that I think this woman is a nasty freeloader and I really hope she doesn't get to defraud HAs, disabled people etc.

i note OP doesn't answer how she thought this lady was paying for food etc.

Edited

Because I was responding to your suggestion that she would easily be able to 'take' a flat from someone more deserving.

That's usually how a forum conversation goes, if you reply directly to someone's point you quote them ...

Pigeon31 · 24/04/2025 17:15

tbh I think as long as she's asking you to do something reasonable (ie. not lie) then it's fine -- wish her luck, she's been a good friend in the past, and it sounds as though her lifestyle was heavily based on bartering and not cheating.

Doesn't really work with the local authority but maybe she can find a way to swap her flat for somewhere she likes better.

Probably won't be the perfect house she's spotted but as long as she's not breaking any rules she's allowed to put in her application.