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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
Unsureabouteverything · 24/04/2025 09:25

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

No, I honestly never have. I've raised specific actions that I dislike (e.g. connected to household chores) but I've never called him a dick or anything similar. I tell him he's great, that I love him, that I think he's fantastic. He does the same with me.

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 09:25

Missohnoyoubetterdont · 24/04/2025 07:54

Maybe hire a cleaner if you can afford a dog poo scooper person?

I'm sure a "housekeeper" does cleaning.

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:23

“Dog poop scooper”

if I was a creative writing teacher I would praise this as a descriptive marvel: one small detail summing up entirely how away with the fairies the OP is

BreakingGood48 · 24/04/2025 09:22

Long post and lots of comments but are you saying that as of Wednesday nobody had cleaned the kitchen from Easter Sunday dinner? 🤢

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

OP posts:
OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:20

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:17

I’d get half our marital assets and go active duty in the military

Please don't. You are not coming across as someone who should be in the armed forces at all. Go to therapy instead.

Barney16 · 24/04/2025 09:18

Off topic but my ex, when living overseas,had a dog shit picking up service. The dogs didn't go for walks they were outside all day. Have to say when he told me about it I was flabbergasted.

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 09:18

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:16

I was going to do some cleaning this morning, but I woke up with that bar already cleared so maybe I'll just relax instead.

Have some coffee. Read a book...

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:17

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:08

You're not ever going to leave him though - how would you fund your lifestyle? So you're making empty threats.

I’d get half our marital assets and go active duty in the military

OP posts:
OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:16

Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 09:11

his high standards

Come on, I think most of us wouldn’t call it high standards to have done the dishes after 3 days and not be mowing dog poo into the lawn.

I was going to do some cleaning this morning, but I woke up with that bar already cleared so maybe I'll just relax instead.

Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 09:11

his high standards

Come on, I think most of us wouldn’t call it high standards to have done the dishes after 3 days and not be mowing dog poo into the lawn.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:08

I really hope OP doesn't have access to guns.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:08

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:07

That’s what we did. We talked over what happened, both apologized, and came up with a plan for what to do differently in the future.

but like I said, I noticed that in the past he would just wait til I forgot to be mad and then just carry on like we don’t have any problems, unless I started shutting down and he got worried about losing me.

im sorry, but I do not have any moral qualms about having to resort to being slightly colder towards him to make that happen if he had not been willing to address things.

also the whole thing with “we are finished if you ever say ‘clean as you go’ again” was more about the fact that he wasn’t willing to even acknowledge my argument re: that, and that if he were to say it again I would know for a fact he was doing it to deeply trigger me, and god knows I’m absolutely not sticking around to be subject to that. I mean that one; no threats there.

You're not ever going to leave him though - how would you fund your lifestyle? So you're making empty threats.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:07

Tiswa · 24/04/2025 08:52

If fixing is accepting only you behaved badly and meant changing your behaviour to suit their needs at the expense of your own whilst they held no fault yes

fixing means a team effort and both taking responsibility

That’s what we did. We talked over what happened, both apologized, and came up with a plan for what to do differently in the future.

but like I said, I noticed that in the past he would just wait til I forgot to be mad and then just carry on like we don’t have any problems, unless I started shutting down and he got worried about losing me.

im sorry, but I do not have any moral qualms about having to resort to being slightly colder towards him to make that happen if he had not been willing to address things.

also the whole thing with “we are finished if you ever say ‘clean as you go’ again” was more about the fact that he wasn’t willing to even acknowledge my argument re: that, and that if he were to say it again I would know for a fact he was doing it to deeply trigger me, and god knows I’m absolutely not sticking around to be subject to that. I mean that one; no threats there.

OP posts:
ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 09:06

Op no-one likes to be told they’re wrong. Even more so to be told that what they had experienced in the past through no fault of their own has seeped into their current behaviour and they had become the thing that damaged them in the first place.

just reflect that a lot of total strangers can be honest with you about how you’re behaving.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:06

I think your husband is scared of you, and if that's the case then your child will end up scared of you too. I wonder who else you scare in real life. I think on the inside you're probably scared too, hence the bluster and aggression 😢.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:05

Another factor to consider in this, OP. If your house is a total state, your dogs aren't cared for properly, etc (and no, a yard and a dog poo cleaner don't constitute proper care), there's a non-zero chance of a social work referral in the future when people realise a child is living in that environment. There's also a realistic chance that when/if your DH leaves and wants to make child access arrangements, social work could be involved.

Social workers take a very dim view of emotional abuse. They recognise that it harms children exposed to it. They recognise that there's also a risk that emotional abuse towards a partner today can easily turn into abuse towards a child tomorrow. They then act to protect children from abusive adults. If you want to avoid this, you need to take action now to change your behaviour.

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 09:04

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2025 06:33

“good for you hun” because I manage to pick up my dogs’ poop? Yeah, you’d wind me up too if you use the same patronising tone with dh. I thought maybe you’d missed something from your op that would clarify why you are so busy you can’t do basic household tasks, but no… very odd.

"I work full time, 3dc, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, just completed a pgdip level 7 at uni alongside work"

Tbf to OP (who has much to learn) this bit of your post was really sanctimonious. I don't think it was just the poop scooping element.

Createausernameplease · 24/04/2025 09:03

OP - AIBU

Mumsnet - yes, and possibly slightly abusive without maybe realising it

OP - you’re all wrong

maybe take a step back and look, if this was roles reversed people would be telling you to leave the bastard.

AlisounOfBath · 24/04/2025 09:02

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:50

Let me flip the roles and see if that changes your minds… you’re telling me,

if I never actually wanted to fix things with my husband

UNLESS I thought I was at risk of losing him

its HIS fault that I’m like that?

and somehow I’m the one “victim blaming” here?

it’s not “Hey, maybe you should actually give a shit about your partner’s feelings and come up with a plan for how to improve your relationship together,” it’s “If you aren’t bouncing off the walls with excitement and talking a mile a minute when he comes home from work because you’re pissed at him, and you know he won’t work on that solution with you otherwise, you’re ABUSIVE!!!”

Edited

You are deliberately misrepresenting what people are saying to you because you’re so far up your own arse you can see daylight. If you argue with this level of sarcasm, aggression, obtuseness, and bad faith in real life, it’s amazing he hasn’t left you yet.

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 08:59

Codlingmoths · 24/04/2025 08:53

this is obviously situation dependent? If he drinks a litre of whisky a night and won’t cut back unless she looks like leaving, it’s not abuse. Id he sees his friends once a month for a couple of hours and she wants him to stop, it is abuse. You really need to consider what she’s asking and what he’s doing before you can say anything about abuse here.

You’re right but in your example you’d spell out to the drinker the consequences of their continuation.

what op is doing is falling out with her partner and continuing that silent treatment for a few days in order to scare him into line. That is abusive, no matter what it is she wants him to do

EmeraldShamrock000 · 24/04/2025 08:58

What a mess. Communication is angry and defensive from the two adults here.
I'd personally be mortified leaving that mess if I was expecting company.
He seems frightened and under pressure to express an opinion, he shuts down, you're aggressive in your defence.

Zonder · 24/04/2025 08:58

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:29

I don’t think asking somebody “What’s wrong?” when their mood practically bonks you over the head from across the room is that leading of a question, is it?

Like I know, in retrospect, that he wasn’t ready to discuss it, but it’s not like I said “Why are you angry/upset with me?” (Even though I was right)

You're missing my point.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 08:57

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 08:55

Also, with your anger and aggression I'm not sure the army reserves are the place for you. The armed forces are a magnet for bullies and I hope you don't have power over anyone there.

A very good point.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 24/04/2025 08:56

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:47

Bro, what?

Bro?!!!!!

Who the hell speaks like that? Are you a 12 year old boy?

I call bollocks on this whole thread.

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