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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
GeorgeMichaelsCat · 24/04/2025 10:52

I am struggling to see why you posted in AIBU as you clearly think you are not. As I reply, 87% of people think you are being unreasonable, that is a clear message OP.

I do hope you get the counselling you need.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 24/04/2025 10:46

Email. Seriously.

My DH and I went to therapy and we really struggled with conflict because I shut down and withdraw due to an abusive childhood, paired with being ND.

I find strong emotions really hard to deal with and we found that emailing each other regarding issues or grievances really helped. We both thought through what we were saying a lot more. We weren't reactive and faces/body language didn't interfere.

We had some amazing conversations, and now we don't need to email any more because we gained a lovely understanding of each other's communication styles.

Our rule was we had to wait at least an hour, but no more than 24hrs before replying.
This meant the other wasn't left forever and ignoring couldn't be weaponised... But equally we didn't get into quickfire email battles.

Honestly, best technique we have ever used in our relationship and it got us through a very tough time.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:59

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:58

And you obviously haven’t experienced many long-game internet trolls. I envy you.

(I won’t go on about it because MN deletes suggestions like this on-sight)

Edited

What does it matter though? If my friends stumbled across this they’d learn something from the replies. Is that not good?

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:58

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:57

Why wouldn’t it be? You’ve obviously only met a narrow range of people if you haven’t ever seen a couple like this in real life. I totally have.

And you obviously haven’t experienced many long-game internet trolls. I envy you.

(I won’t go on about it because MN deletes suggestions like this on-sight)

gannett · 24/04/2025 09:57

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:54

Nah, it’s beyond that. Too many obvious wind-up tells

The wind-ups are usually more measured and deliberate than this (like the recent spate of tradwife ones). The OP's updates are too chaotic, reactive and at times a little hard to decipher.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:57

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Why wouldn’t it be? You’ve obviously only met a narrow range of people if you haven’t ever seen a couple like this in real life. I totally have.

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:54

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 09:52

Because some women are like this. Men don't have the monopoly on being unreasonable and abusive.

Nah, it’s beyond that. Too many obvious wind-up tells

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 09:52

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Because some women are like this. Men don't have the monopoly on being unreasonable and abusive.

PsychoHotSauce · 24/04/2025 09:52

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

I have to say, if you can't even manage to hide your true colours here with remarks like this, no wonder your husband is walking on eggshells around you.

The second you feel affronted, you lash out. What exactly do you expect him to do? 'Talk' to you about his feelings when you've shown the exact same behaviour towards strangers - and you're so absorbed in how things are triggering for YOU that you don't give a shit about HIS feelings. Literally no one with half a brain cell is going to communicate openly with you, unless they're a masochist that enjoys getting shit for daring to have feelings or different opinions.

Zonder · 24/04/2025 09:51

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

Is this an example of your empathy?

lazycats · 24/04/2025 09:49

Still unsure as to why so many people think the OP is real…

Totot · 24/04/2025 09:48

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:27

Snobbery too to add to the list - us peasants in our tiny homes, eh?

It can’t be that grand if they have to share a driveway with their neighbours!!

I can’t work out how the OP thinks she knows what her husband is thinking when she clearly lacks any understanding of nuance, and doesn’t listen to what people are saying. I can’t see why her husband is annoyed though as she’s being insulting to posters, and seems to lack any empathy.

OfNoOne · 24/04/2025 09:41

I think even in the US people are expected to have basic standards of hygiene.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:37

Punzel · 24/04/2025 09:35

@MossLover is clearly in the US hence why the lifestyle seems so different.
I understand that feeling of not feeling able to get things resolved unless you go nuclear. Of course you’d rather sit and calmly talk things through and yes there were lots of points reading your OP where I thought eek why are
you doing that and tbh your way of running your household would massively aggravate me if I were living with you. But you’re in a dynamic where your husbands gets moods/says stuff that you find hurtful then HE gets over it and wants to forget it and hug but you’re left with lots of unresolved feelings that he will not then talk about unless or until you go mental. It’s annoying and sometimes it feels bigger than annoying. You could help yourself by being clear and factual in your communication, try not to completely lose it and call names because your original point gets lost.

There was no need to hunt for a reason why he shouldn’t have said “just clear up as you go”. You sort of tried to trick him into admitting he hadn’t done so so that you could then “get him”. You could have just clearly said “I’m finding that phrase really upsetting, please don’t say that again as I feel I do nothing but clear up after all of us to the point things fall through the cracks” as you’ve eloquently done here.

Sometimes though we can overthink stuff and actually throwing money at the problem does get rid of it. You can just think to yourself “wow horrible row about the state of the place, TF we are getting a cleaner” and hug and move on. Not everything has to be that deep.

Or Australia? They have creeks.

Punzel · 24/04/2025 09:35

@MossLover is clearly in the US hence why the lifestyle seems so different.
I understand that feeling of not feeling able to get things resolved unless you go nuclear. Of course you’d rather sit and calmly talk things through and yes there were lots of points reading your OP where I thought eek why are
you doing that and tbh your way of running your household would massively aggravate me if I were living with you. But you’re in a dynamic where your husbands gets moods/says stuff that you find hurtful then HE gets over it and wants to forget it and hug but you’re left with lots of unresolved feelings that he will not then talk about unless or until you go mental. It’s annoying and sometimes it feels bigger than annoying. You could help yourself by being clear and factual in your communication, try not to completely lose it and call names because your original point gets lost.

There was no need to hunt for a reason why he shouldn’t have said “just clear up as you go”. You sort of tried to trick him into admitting he hadn’t done so so that you could then “get him”. You could have just clearly said “I’m finding that phrase really upsetting, please don’t say that again as I feel I do nothing but clear up after all of us to the point things fall through the cracks” as you’ve eloquently done here.

Sometimes though we can overthink stuff and actually throwing money at the problem does get rid of it. You can just think to yourself “wow horrible row about the state of the place, TF we are getting a cleaner” and hug and move on. Not everything has to be that deep.

TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 24/04/2025 09:33

MossLover · 24/04/2025 06:36

Oh, I’m sorry; I didn’t realize this was a homemaking competition

All I do constantly is household tasks. There is always, always more to do, and he will focus only on what’s not done instead of what is… Though I finally got him to see that and he said he will work on it

It sounds like you both have too much to do because you have taken on too much. I am in the same situation.

It sounds like you need to downsize on property and responsibilities so there is less drive to weed and garden and house and animals to deal with.

This place is huge and DH is very ill. The place has turned to an absolute jungle because I've not been well either. Unless I get well after my upcoming surgery and can get it all under control, we are going to have to sell it as it is and lose a fortune. It might be worth that loss though to have some quality of life.

I would love to get another dog but I know I cannot manage one and have accepted that my last old dog was actually my last old dog.

Sometimes you have to accept a horrible situation and sort it as best you can.

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 09:32

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

And there is the nastiness showing again

insomniaclife · 24/04/2025 09:32

Not once has the OP taken responsibility for a single thing she has said or done. And she is determined to make so much out of so little. Just imagine living with someone like that.
look up Attribution Theory as a starting point OP. And then look up counsellors for yourself. And for heavens sake start listening - because this “emotional empath”crap is actually being hyper-defensive so you can attack until you feel sufficiently capitulated to.

ShoalShark · 24/04/2025 09:32

I might treat myself to a swim or a jiujitsu class if she’s in school and I don’t have some appointment to keep.

I would not be happy if I worked really long hours and the parent at home thought it acceptable to leave dishes for 4 days without cleaning them but found time to saunter off to jiujitsu classes.

I can't even comprehend where all the hours could possibly go or how big your house can be that you do not have time to clean it during the day, on the days your child is at school. In about an hour I could get my house looking not terrible. In two hours it would be clean enough that I'd be happy for a tradesman to pop in and in four hours it would be clean enough I'd be happy for guests to stay over.

Even doubling those numbers assuming you have a bigger house, I can't get my head around how it can be in such a state that it's embarrassing, especially when you have hired a dog poop scooper and you don't walk the dogs.

Leafy3 · 24/04/2025 09:32

I'd totally have a dog poo scooper person if I could. 100% would outsource.

DissDissOrDiss · 24/04/2025 09:29

MossLover · 24/04/2025 01:00

"No," as in, "that's the worst interpretation of anything I ever heard and I reject it entirely." Sounds just like the step parent that gaslit me into thinking everything was my fault. Just no. Absolutely not.

I totally agree with this poster OP.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 24/04/2025 09:29

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:34

Actually I ran the dishwasher twice yesterday and there are still dishes left over

You need to listen to Dana K White on „dishes math“. Dishes need to take priority, always, cos it’s a hygiene issue unlike dust / untidiness etc.

Also, if you can’t handle so many dogs why do you have them? Pets are a luxury and it sounds as though you’re already at breaking point.

Smallmercies · 24/04/2025 09:27

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:21

Yeah, I’m sure your dogs are probably much happier being couped up in your tiny little homes only being able to go to the bathroom a few times a day for as long as you’re willing to be outside.

Snobbery too to add to the list - us peasants in our tiny homes, eh?

Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 09:27

MossLover · 24/04/2025 09:17

I’d get half our marital assets and go active duty in the military

Serious question, how would this work with 3 dogs and a young child? Also would you be able to do this straight away given that you’re just a reservist at the moment? Doesn’t seem entirely… realistic.

I also thought that people in the army were meant to be sticklers for detail and very neat/ tidy/ organised 🤔

TeenLifeMum · 24/04/2025 09:27

Isittimeformynapyet · 24/04/2025 09:04

"I work full time, 3dc, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits, just completed a pgdip level 7 at uni alongside work"

Tbf to OP (who has much to learn) this bit of your post was really sanctimonious. I don't think it was just the poop scooping element.

I disagree, I don’t think I’m massively doing anything more than friends my age are doing. I see this as fairly standard levels of busy, normal family life.