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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
ShoalShark · 25/04/2025 08:09

I actually laughed out loud that you’ve included sniffing flowers in your list.

Perhaps your issue is priorities? In a typical day you apparently clean off tops or laundry machines but don’t wash dishes for four days? I can’t really understand how you can be bleaching bins and cleaning the tops of your white goods on a daily basis yet your house is such a state that your DH is embarrassed about his professional
reputation (noting that you didn’t disagree with this assessment but just countered with the fact that their opinions wouldn’t affect him professionally).

I also wonder if you’re easily distracted? Things like cleaning out the lint filter - maybe it’s different in wherever you live (Australia?) but for me that’s taking the little trap out and grabbing the lint. It takes about ten seconds including the walk to the bin. Quite a large amount of things on your list should take about ten seconds. Perhaps for the next list we can get a time breakdown too.

If this is serious and it’s genuinely a struggle may I suggest breaking down your time by room? Literally with a timetable? I won’t include days you have toddler as it is hard work with a toddler but on the non work days maybe like:

7-8am - hygiene and breakfast for both of you
8am to 9am - everything involving animals
9:00 - 10:00 - Kitchen - spend an hour cleaning the kitchen, prioritising dirt and food waste (so dishes. bins etc)
10 - 10:-15- cup of tea break
10.15 - 10.30 - put clothes in washer and lint empty
10.30 - 11:45 - the many garden activities
12.00 - 12:15 - put clothes in dryer
12.15 - 13.00 - lunch break
13.00 - 14:00 - all the deliveries
14.00 - 15.00 - tidy and clean bedrooms

etc etc

Ive hopefully left some hours free to slot in the driving around and admin tasks. If each day you alternate which rooms you focus on tidying (presumably garden doesn’t need every single day?) the hopefully you can get on top of it. I also think an hour is generous for some rooms eg my bedroom just needs the sides wiping and hoovering which takes about ten mins. Add another ten mins to change bed.

As I write this I wonder if you just simply live in a gigantic house? In the UK I expect most people have a kitchen, living room, 1-2 bathrooms, 2-3 bedrooms and maybe either a study or dining room. If your house is massive are the other rooms actually getting used much? Can you maybe contain the mess just to a few rooms? is there eg better storage options for your toddlers toys?

And I know you’re going to take this next one as sarcasm but it’s genuinely not. If there’s such an emphasis on staying fit and active, can you try and literally clean faster? Running around tidying rather than plodding around? Go as fast as you can so it’s a bit more tiring? I think if you pick up the pace enough it should feel like hard work.

Zonder · 25/04/2025 07:53

JustMeHello · 25/04/2025 06:59

What does 'hygiened' mean as a verb that's separate to showering?

I'm hoping it includes brushing teeth as that important step wasn't mentioned in this list of things most of us do most of, every day even when we are working.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 07:38

Harvesting plants must be S Hemisphere I guess. It’s certainly entertaining! Interesting lifestyle.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 07:36

Also what is going on with the coloured hangers and delivering water to DH. Some interesting stipulations here. Which are fine if OP wants to play along but the DH needs to understand the labour involved.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 07:33

A lot of choices are being made re property/lifestyle/pets etc. You really benefit from help if you want to continue in a big property with lots of pets and garden etc.

Still plenty time to prioritise the dishes. Food hygiene and dishes are just non-negotiable in my house.

Also OP could do with learning how to use a dryer properly as that was an epic amount of work just getting a few towels done. Or even better just throw them on the clothes horse for a couple of days and you won’t have to keep babysitting them.

BustyLaRoux · 25/04/2025 07:21

What strikes me is that this list details a lot of tidying. How then have dishes been left by the sink for four days if this is a typical day? Why is your DH embarrassed by the state of the house if you tidy every room you walk through? Also listing things like greeting a dog, picking up a protein bar and pressing a button on a tumble dryer to make you sound more busy..?

Your day sounds pleasant and relatively busy, as would mine be if I was off work. But surely the issue is that your house was a state, your house is regularly a state and your DH has tried to raise it and you’ve got angry and defensive. Justifying your time on here is all well and good, but the issue is not whether you have to spend your day pressing buttons and greeting animals. The behaviour described earlier (name calling, getting angry, cold shouldering) is abusive to your DH. I am surprised he wants to have sex if I’m honest.

You’ve also forgotten to add “argue with strangers on MN” to your list which presumably has taken up a good chunk of your day

TreeDudette · 25/04/2025 07:19

Lynz301 · 23/04/2025 22:16

If it was such a problem for him, why didn’t he clean it up? I assume he had the same knowledge as you about their arrival? You’re not a mind reader. If he waits to the last minute to mention it - how does he realistically expect you to solve that problem?

This exactly!!!

Unsureabouteverything · 25/04/2025 07:12

Tbh this seems like a random, disorganised day to me. Nothing seems prioritised. Why empty dryer lint when you haven't washed up plates since Easter?

Judging by the list, which is filled with many 10 minute tasks, you should have plenty of time each day (at least when DD is not home). If you're struggling, then it probably means you should focus on efficiency and stream-lining.

I would suggest every evening making a list of what absolutely needs to be done the next day (ask your DH for input if you want), and then start with those chores.

Also, have everything ready to go for the next day if you can. Plates already on the table for breakfast the next morning. Clothes ready to put on etc.

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 07:01

Woop-de-doo, you've listed a bunch of things that everyone who works ALSO HAS TO DO. Big deal.

JustMeHello · 25/04/2025 06:59

What does 'hygiened' mean as a verb that's separate to showering?

Wolfpa · 25/04/2025 06:54

I don’t think your list is going to do you any favours here, it screams as if you have thought of every possible thing to make you look busy but have included things like:

greeted the dog
petted the dog
made a drink
pressed button on dryer.

have you tried stacking your habits so you add something else with these so e.g every time you make a drink you tidy some of the kitchen.

BananaSpanner · 25/04/2025 06:50

So if that is a typical day, how did the washing up not get done for 4 days leading to your making the op and why does your Dh think of it as regular?
It’s fine making a list that displays you as a diligent homemaker when you’ve been criticised but it doesn’t seem that all this cleaning you’ve described can be that typical.
And no, I’ve never called my DH a dick or an arsehole.

Isouf · 25/04/2025 06:46

So, as expected, you did what someone that is at home with a toddler does. I don't see anything special.

Also, the more replies you give in this thread the more I'm convinced you just bored and wants to be entretained.

So yes, do it as you told and go clean the kitchen and stop the creative writing on mumsnet 🤣

MossLover · 25/04/2025 03:36

Edited to add: this was meant to quote @Isouf · Yesterday 07:12

>Can you actually describe your typical day? You work very part time and struggle with tasks that are the normal things.

Here, I wrote down everything I did today. This is a typical Tuesday or Thursday, when DD is at school. Non-school days are definitely less productive, as we try to get out of the house and do fun/educational things, and chores take a lot longer with her "helping" her mum and needing supervision.

  • Woke up to bottomless child. Went and stripped her bed because she had wet it last night.
  • Collected towels to be washed and started washer
  • Fed and watered dogs. Administered meds. Took my own meds.
  • Fixed DD breakfast and packed her school lunch. Had cup of tea
  • Went to grab toiletries from downstairs bathroom to bring back to master bath, now that the shower is fixed. Tidied downstairs bathroom.
  • Showered, hygiened, dressed self for exercise
  • Showered, hygiened, and dressed DD
  • Tidied master bathroom
  • Watered indoor and balcony plants, misted mosses, and turned on plant lights
  • Packed DD’s school bag, removed old food containers, tidied and wiped down kitchen table
  • Cleaned dryer lint trap (how it hasn’t caught fire while I was away is a mystery to me), removed and folded prior load of bedding and towels from dryer, switched towels to dryer, put DH’s clothes in washer. DD “helped” me carry the hamper back upstairs.
  • Fetched RODI water for DH’s office fish tank. Fed home fish tanks (carnivore food and algae clips) washed hands
  • Took meat out of freezer to defrost
  • Lights off, shoes and coats on, took out lawnmower battery which had been inside to charge, loaded up car (forgot car seat wasn’t installed. Installed.)
  • Went back in house to grab protein bar and wallet, and locked door
  • Drove to DD’s school (32 minutes), returned library books on the way, and completed drop off ~10:30 am
  • Dropped off RODI water to DH office
  • Put air in tire that was low
  • Drove to grocery store (20 minutes). Shopped. Got DH his favorite chocolates and flowers. Drove home (20 minutes)
  • Greeted dogs. Checked towels in dryer and added 10 minutes.
  • Carried groceries in house. Went to bathroom and paid credit cards. Solidified gym date with DH.
  • Folded and put away towels. Cleaned lint trap and transferred DH’s clothes into dryer. Started bedding in washer. (1:03 pm)
  • Cleaned out fridge (why do we have so much milk?!), fixed small RWB salad from leftovers,
  • and re organized pantry. Had some juice.Put groceries away. Refilled DH’s tea pitchers. Gave dogs dental treats.
  • Tidied kitchen. Took out trash. Sprayed trash compactor down with bleach. He wad wSpeak English Took grocery bags back to car. Carried in delivered water jugs and Amazon packages. (Our well water doesn’t taste good)
  • Check laundry, added 20 minutes to dryer. Took compost out to heap in garden and watered crops. Harvested asparagus and rhubarb stalks and mint leaves. Noticed flowering strawberry plants. Returned with items left out from yesterday.
  • ID’ed arrowwood shrub and smelled blooms. Sweet and powdery. Angered a bee
  • Replaced trash bags (almost forgot)
  • Made a little spritzer with the mint and some frozen bluebs
  • Cleaned up toys on way down to laundry room.
  • Cleaned off tops of laundry machines. Folded/hung and put away DH’s laundry, sorted by color, like he likes it… Re-hung clothes when I realized I put them on the wrong color hangers.
  • Transferred bedding to dryer and put my/DD’s laundry in washer
  • Petted dogs
  • Prepared dinner. Conducted preliminary kitchen tidy. Ran out of time to finish.
  • Filled water bottle. Forgot water bottle. Went to gym with DH and DD (15 minute drive)
  • Picked up DD from gym childcare center. Drove home. (13 minute drive)
  • Resumed cooking. Unloaded dishwasher and drying stations. Sampled the pierogies. Started cleaning up.
  • Served and ate dinner with family
  • Cleared table, put away leftovers, and finished dishes. Fought with DD.
  • Wiped down sink. Wiped down counters and swept floor. Carried out some trash.
  • Removed bedding from washer and put it back on DD’s bed. Switched our clothing to dryer.
  • Had her brush her teeth and get into PJs. Read her bedtime stories and got her to sleep.
  • Attended to some military administrative tasks
  • Did bedtime hygiene routine. Took evening meds and supps. had sex. Going to sleep.
OP posts:
InWalksBarberalla · 25/04/2025 02:03

I get the impression that the OP is younger and 'hotter' than her DH - she has a fairly cushie lifestyle and her go to threat is that he will lose her. Problem is there is still a limit to how far she can push him, particularly if he is paying for their life style and the house is a mess and he has to tiptoe around her 'sensitivity' etc.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 25/04/2025 01:44

Who do you think you are? Getting angry, tben angrier and bullying your DH? Name calling.
You abuse him, verbally and mentally.
He needs to get a divorce. You manipulate and gaslight him.
Get some help with self awareness or divorce him.

loveyoutothemoonandtosaturn · 24/04/2025 19:03

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Same!! Also they haven't washed the dishes since Easter???

CandelabraCat · 24/04/2025 18:58

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

Huh? Make your mind up!
”I just said I didn’t call him any names, and I wasn’t intent on it, and then he misheard me”

ThDanielDay · 24/04/2025 18:00

insomniaclife · 23/04/2025 23:10

Para 1. You write the details down to hold onto you’re anger and self justification

para 2. You think you know how people are feeling better than they do. You won’t let your DH manage his negative feelings his own way (holding them in)

para 3. When he does try to explain his feelings you criticise his reason for the feelings. You asked what was wrong and he told you. You then didn’t accept what he said when you judged his thinking as “completely unreasonable”. Not to him it wasn’t.

para 5. You then segued into defensiveness when you moved off the subject you’d asked him about, and forced him to have to justify his thoughts and feelings. You assume your memory of conversations is better than his.

para 6. And he’s right - you did get angry. He’s absolutely correct. You again judged his perception “wasn’t fair of him”. You then told him how he is. By now, you’re a very long way from your opening “tell me what’s up” question. What he feared you’d do, was exactly what you did do.

it may be that you have absorbed the gaslighting and emotionally abusive tactics of your childhood, despite your best intentions, because I’m afraid that is what I see here from you. So in short, he’s afraid of the negativity, judgement, and criticism he gets when he does speak openly.

With bells on

BustyLaRoux · 24/04/2025 14:42

I have to add that I feel sorry for your DH. I do think what you need are the tools to communicate better as a couple, as I said in my earlier post. But I also think you’re being pretty defensive and unfair.

You got him to tell you why he was upset, which he didn’t want to do.

You then said he was wrong to feel like that.

You then defensively argued with him, said he was being ridiculous, etc.

You asked why he’d not mentioned this before?
(So blaming him for not speaking up sooner)

Then, when he told you he had actually mentioned this before, you got annoyed again and told him why he was wrong again.

Then you got into a tit for tat. He had obviously done a lot of cooking and clearing up. You said you’d been doing cleaning and bedding. But I’m not sure how much cleaning you can actually have done because you’re also saying the house is in a state. And if he’s mentioned it previously then this is obviously an ongoing issue. It must be quite bad if one of you is feeling embarrassed by it. One presumes it wasn’t a huge expectation for you to clean up the last lot of cooking he’d done. (He didn’t ask though. And you’re not a mind reader. I get that). But….

You’ve got dirty plates sat by the sink for days on end and are now having an argument about who should have done them. If he cooked all the meals and has been working, do you not think you should have done them? You just left them there for several days. He seems to have gone back to work. You’re not working. Maybe it is kind of obvious they needed doing. I can’t imagine leaving stuff by the sink for three or four days, especially if I was home!

I do think you should adjust your priorities. You’re not managing a house and toddler, despite not working and having the toddler in day care two days a week. Clearly something is amiss. I’m guessing your DH thinks the same but is too afraid to say so. Or had tried to say something in the past and has had you being defensive and angry. He has highlighted name calling as an issue. Again, this is abusive behaviour. You even said this time you did end up losing it again and calling him names. But again, you defend yourself and say “but I didn’t get angry straight away” or that it’s his fault you got angry. This is classic abusive behaviour I am afraid to say. He is not responsible for your anger. Trying to talk about the housework and his feelings of embarrassment are absolutely not a reason for you to get angry.

As for giving him the cold treatment and threatening to leave him, this is again abusive behaviour. You’ve said you’ll leave him if he suggests you clear up as you go again!! And say this would be triggering for you. No wonder he can’t raise things with you. Threatening to leave if he ever reiterates a fairly reasonable suggestion about cleaning up as you go is awful behaviour on your part. And no, it is not triggering! And he is not gaslighting you. These are proper therapeutic terms which people bandy about without realising what they mean. It might seriously irk you if he made that suggestion again, but this isn’t him deliberately triggering you!

Then when he’s gone to hug you to try and make peace you’ve given him both barrels!

Your behaviour has not been good. You don’t seem very willing to accept that. When people have tried to get you to see it, in true form you’ve got defensive and been quite rude to people.

You do have communication needs as a couple, but you also are exhibiting some unacceptable behaviours and you need to stop making excuses, stop getting angry, stop with the name calling, take some ownership and stop blaming your husband.

beAsensible1 · 24/04/2025 14:34

OP you have to get some basic organisation. Unless things are urgent you have to have daily and weekly and monthly tasks.

have a live calendar for your appointments in the kitchen.

use the day your toddler goes to school for all your appointments if you can.

dishes daily, sheets weekly, dog poo daily etc

dont let things “pop up” to blow you off task do your tasks regardless. After a few months you’ll get into the rhythm of it.

Funnywonder · 24/04/2025 12:41

MossLover · 24/04/2025 08:22

Have none of you ever told your partner they’re being an arsehole or a dick before? I honestly find that surprising (not being snarky)

I don’t call anyone names. I might mutter the odd thing under my breath, out of earshot, but name calling is so damaging. My mum was brought up in a family where name calling was the norm and she said it made her feel like she was worthless. So we were banned from name calling. DP has called me a couple of choice names over the years while we were arguing and it just cuts me in two. It stops the argument dead mind you, because once it has sunk to that pathetic, immature, hateful level, I’m out.

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 24/04/2025 12:23

It is easy to get caught up in arguments with a long time partner and sometime’s an outsider’s POV can help:
You have a man working long hours, annoyed that the house is not tidy, but he doesn’t say anything.
His wife insists on knowing what is bothering him. When he eventually tells her, she doesn’t empathise or look for a solution but enters into an argument: why didn’t he say it before / he said the garden needed work so she has been doing that etc.
-> it seems like you insisting that he tells you was actually a way of telling him off for being in a mood.
I don’t know what your arrangement is, but if I was working FT supporting a partner at home, I would not expect to be ashamed of the mess - I’m not saying spotless, but definitely not leaving dirty dishes for several days.

As a side note: why was it the garden or the kitchen? Couldn’t you have made progress on both? Cleaning/tidying the kitchen even after a feast shouldn’t take more than a few hours.

Whynotaxthisyear · 24/04/2025 11:24

Truly you need couples counselling. You sound furious with each other and theres no point in the rest of us picking a ‘team’
and joining your argument. Hope you get something sorted.

Hernameisdeborah · 24/04/2025 11:20

This para really jumped out for me:

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

IME at least, it's really horrible to be on the receiving end of someone deliberately being cold and angry for an extended period. You do anything to end the situation. So, is there not still a risk that he could apologise, not because he's seen the whole situation from your perspective and has fully understood what he's done wrong, but to end the situation and get you both on speaking terms again?

And I agree, couples counselling sounds like a very good idea. Maybe also individual therapy for yourself as it sounds like you were on the receiving end of emotional abuse and may have developed some unhealthy thinking and communication patterns due to this