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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 26/04/2025 10:08

Flipslop · 26/04/2025 07:00

Just wondering why you came on here asking for anyone’s honest opinion? I’ve read through all of your responses, there’s not one that indicates you have any flex in your thinking. Clearly you came on here thinking people would tell you your husband in an arsehole and you’re hard done by. That hasn’t happened as it’s clearly not the case.
you sound like you have some stuff to pick through but unless you have an ounce of self awareness you won’t get too far

I think that’s a bit unfair. The husband seems very demanding, with the dogs and the fish and the big home and the multiple elaborate meals at Easter colour coordinated clothing on colour coordinated hangers (can’t believe nobody picked up on that - OP actually told us she went back and changed the hangers when she realised she’d made a mistake! Why OP, what happens when you get the colours of the hangers wrong ?) and the delivering his water to him at work… OP is doing a lot to support her DH‘s desires.

So what happens OP when you let his stuff slide? How would he react?

Flipslop · 26/04/2025 07:00

Just wondering why you came on here asking for anyone’s honest opinion? I’ve read through all of your responses, there’s not one that indicates you have any flex in your thinking. Clearly you came on here thinking people would tell you your husband in an arsehole and you’re hard done by. That hasn’t happened as it’s clearly not the case.
you sound like you have some stuff to pick through but unless you have an ounce of self awareness you won’t get too far

FunMustard · 26/04/2025 00:03

People can feel fucking annoyed about the state of the house and still not be arsed about doing anything about it, that's why they don't say anything, they just seethe at their own laziness.

People are allowed to have negative emotions and just work through them without being harangued over them. Haven't you ever woken up on the wrong side of the bed and just been annoyed for no reason? Or maybe annoyed because you know the house is an absolute tip and you cba to clean it up?

Utterly baffling state of affairs. Sounds like the therapy-speak that is becoming so endemic - this is your husband and you can't just ask him why he's pissed off and then leave him to it?!

MossLover · 25/04/2025 23:36

@CandelabraCat Well, that's where the housekeeper and landscapers come in.

@allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld I'm in the military reserves and stay at home... Idk, I think I should be allowed to have a hobby. Plus all the growing things are part of the decor (our sitting/dining rooms are "overgrown enchanted castle" themed.)

OP posts:
CandelabraCat · 25/04/2025 22:07

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:31

Do you have full custody of your children, or do they go back and forth? Are they in school? Are you spending quality time with them? What's the area of your house and property? How many pets? Do you have moments where you have literally nothing that needs to be done, or when you take time to unwind, are you just saying, "Yeah, that can be done in a bit?" Are you sleeping enough? Getting enough exercise? What are you feeding your family? Do you have time for hobbies, socializing, worship...? (genuinely asking; not trying to be inflammatory)

Like people are again being like "I have to work and I have so many more children than you!" again, but... I literally just detailed spending 95% of my waking hours doing housework and tending to my military responsibilities when my child was being minded by someone else or asleep; I'm not sure what more I could be doing. It's not like I'm being lazy, and I am doing things as efficiently as I can (the laundry is going all throughout the day and put away as soon as it's done, I pick things up that are on the way to the next task, I'm cleaning up the cooking mess as I'm cooking, etc.) I'm also not willing to sacrifice time with my daughter while she's little, I have to stay fit for the military, and I don't function well at all) without proper sleep.

I don't think all 2,245 square feet (208 sq meters) of my house and all 2.8 hectares of my land is going to be perfectly clean and manicured 24/7 without neglecting some of the other important aspects, and I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone else to have of me.

Anyway, I'm logging off now because I have things to do. If anyone else wants to shit on me for what I do, go ahead. I no longer care.

If your house and garden are so huge that you’re unable to wash the dishes for days on end then it really sounds like you need to move.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 25/04/2025 20:54

@MossLover what country are you in OP>> you seem to be doing a heck of a lot of gardening for this time of year! if the fish tank belong to your dh then let him look after them. get rid of half the houseplants that need special treatment like special lighting. hobby or not they take up too much of your time so in effect you are doing your hobby instead of housework! do one room properly at a time.. the kitchen does need done daily. put a wash on every day so it doesnt build up. it is all controllable. you spend your time flitting from this to that to the next thing and not getting stuck into anything! what is your actual job??

Hernameisdeborah · 25/04/2025 20:36

Unsureabouteverything · 25/04/2025 19:50

Well with the pets I think YANBU. Sounds like you were rather steamrollered into having them and now are stuck being the one caring for them.

It seems you're struggling keeping up with the dogs (they really need to be taken on multiple daily walks, not just staying in a garden), so the current set up isn't fair to you or them.

Perhaps it's time for an ultimatum - either your dh steps ups and cares for the fish and dogs, or they have to go.

Edited

I agree, it does sound like you took on a lot to keep him happy.

Unsureabouteverything · 25/04/2025 19:50

MossLover · 25/04/2025 19:38

I mean, we both agreed on the property. The house is half the size of the last one (and I was not doing well with that one at all, let's be honest), so this one is more manageable. We did need two bathrooms, a bedroom for us, one for DD, and a guest bedroom, and DH loves his office, though I could have done without the half bath, sitting room, and recreation room when one living room would have sufficed... But honestly, I'm in love with the land; it's chock full of interesting and useful plants and teeming with wildlife. Some day, we will be able to live off the land entirely. My plants are my hobby. I would prefer if we didn't have well water, but it's what the house came with, and at least we don't have a water bill anymore...I don't mind the work to keep up with it; it's just that it hurts when I'm doing as much as I can and it never seems to be enough for DH.

I didn't want so many dogs (we had four at one point but they started fighting, so we had to rehome two on two different occasions, then replaced one) but when the pandemic hit and everyone was home constantly, DH got it into his head that each of us should have 'our own' dogs.Then it was him and the girls at the shelter, dog shopping and coming home with new friends. I love them to death, but they are expensive and require care... DH's fish tanks are his obsession, though he's been so busy lately with work that I've been taking care of them. I don't mind, if it makes him happy, but again, it is another labor and time investment. Even if it's just a little one, I have a lot of little ones, y'know? They add up.

Well with the pets I think YANBU. Sounds like you were rather steamrollered into having them and now are stuck being the one caring for them.

It seems you're struggling keeping up with the dogs (they really need to be taken on multiple daily walks, not just staying in a garden), so the current set up isn't fair to you or them.

Perhaps it's time for an ultimatum - either your dh steps ups and cares for the fish and dogs, or they have to go.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 19:38

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 16:12

Who made the choice to:

have such a big property
get 3 dogs and fish
have so many plants in and out
live remote with only a well for water?

I’m genuinely interested in how you come to be living this way. Do you enjoy the lifestyle or are you secretly resentful?

I mean, we both agreed on the property. The house is half the size of the last one (and I was not doing well with that one at all, let's be honest), so this one is more manageable. We did need two bathrooms, a bedroom for us, one for DD, and a guest bedroom, and DH loves his office, though I could have done without the half bath, sitting room, and recreation room when one living room would have sufficed... But honestly, I'm in love with the land; it's chock full of interesting and useful plants and teeming with wildlife. Some day, we will be able to live off the land entirely. My plants are my hobby. I would prefer if we didn't have well water, but it's what the house came with, and at least we don't have a water bill anymore...I don't mind the work to keep up with it; it's just that it hurts when I'm doing as much as I can and it never seems to be enough for DH.

I didn't want so many dogs (we had four at one point but they started fighting, so we had to rehome two on two different occasions, then replaced one) but when the pandemic hit and everyone was home constantly, DH got it into his head that each of us should have 'our own' dogs.Then it was him and the girls at the shelter, dog shopping and coming home with new friends. I love them to death, but they are expensive and require care... DH's fish tanks are his obsession, though he's been so busy lately with work that I've been taking care of them. I don't mind, if it makes him happy, but again, it is another labor and time investment. Even if it's just a little one, I have a lot of little ones, y'know? They add up.

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MonsteraDelicious · 25/04/2025 19:13

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:46

And now it's half past 3!

🎶Oh, shit shit shit shit shitty, scoop a little poop for meee 🎶

Leafy3 · 25/04/2025 18:03

This thread has gone nuts, so much piling on about how the op completes domestic chores just because she mentioned a dog poo picker.

BustyLaRoux · 25/04/2025 16:58

@MossLover i think maybe you should look up cold shouldering and abuse. You might not agree, you don’t need to. It just is.

Why did you come on here? Did you want to people to validate you not being able to wash up for four days? Did you want people to say your DH is so unreasonable for the way he felt and actually you’re flat out smelling bees and pressing buttons or whatever? Surely by listing all these silly things you’re just inviting people to criticise you. But that wasn’t why you posted. Or was it? Just to have people confirm you’re in the right? You said originally that your DH says you get angry whenever he expresses a feeling. And you went on to describe how he, when pushed, told you his feelings and sure enough you ended up calling him ridiculous, arguing why his feelings were wrong and then getting angry and calling him names. So he was right. You’ve not really revisited that and have instead got locked into battle with various strangers about how wrong he was. How the house isn’t in a state. How you do plenty. How busy you are. How much you have to do. How it wasn’t your fault the dishes got left for FOUR DAYS! And you’re missing the point! You complained that he says you get angry and he says he can’t discuss his feelings. And then the majority of people here called you out for doing exactly that. And yet you attacked them, got defensive and then argued about how busy you were.
You don’t really seem to care that people are validating your DH’s point of view. You’re more interested in winning an argument and being right and getting people to agree how busy you are. But aside from the fact no one really does agree, or if they do they say you’ve clearly taken on more than you can manage, you’re not listening. Your behaviour towards your DH was not acceptable. Name calling isn’t acceptable. Cold shouldering isn’t acceptable. Getting angry because he tried to hug you isn’t acceptable. And you’re too busy making lists about the flowers you have to notice and the animals that need greeting! Cmon, stop focusing on being right and defending yourself, actually think about how you respond to your DH when he raises something with you. Because that surely was the whole point of your post no?

WeHaveTheRabbit · 25/04/2025 16:50

You sound insufferable. You have admitted that you called your husband "a bunch of names" and that it has happened before. That is most certainly abusive. Not to mention your threats and cold shoulder act. If you want your marriage to survive, individual therapy might be a good first step, followed by couples counselling.

Throughout this thread you have continued to minimise your role in the argument and defend your actions. Nearly everyone can see how wrong you were. That isn't to suggest that your DH is perfect, but if the interaction you described is typical, you are certainly unreasonable.

Biffbaff · 25/04/2025 16:17

So he complains about the state of something and then you run along and sort it out? Meanwhile if you complain about either the delivery or implication of his passive request he gets offended and turns it back on you. That's all a bit unfair, isn't it?

Couples counselling does sound like it would benefit you both.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 16:12

Who made the choice to:

have such a big property
get 3 dogs and fish
have so many plants in and out
live remote with only a well for water?

I’m genuinely interested in how you come to be living this way. Do you enjoy the lifestyle or are you secretly resentful?

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:52
  • "ID’ed arrowwood shrub and smelled blooms. Sweet and powdery. Angered a bee"

This whole thread just reminds me of someone... I can't think of who...

Amber Heard Dog GIF
LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:46

loveyoutothemoonandtosaturn · 24/04/2025 19:03

Same!! Also they haven't washed the dishes since Easter???

And now it's half past 3!

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 15:39

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:31

Do you have full custody of your children, or do they go back and forth? Are they in school? Are you spending quality time with them? What's the area of your house and property? How many pets? Do you have moments where you have literally nothing that needs to be done, or when you take time to unwind, are you just saying, "Yeah, that can be done in a bit?" Are you sleeping enough? Getting enough exercise? What are you feeding your family? Do you have time for hobbies, socializing, worship...? (genuinely asking; not trying to be inflammatory)

Like people are again being like "I have to work and I have so many more children than you!" again, but... I literally just detailed spending 95% of my waking hours doing housework and tending to my military responsibilities when my child was being minded by someone else or asleep; I'm not sure what more I could be doing. It's not like I'm being lazy, and I am doing things as efficiently as I can (the laundry is going all throughout the day and put away as soon as it's done, I pick things up that are on the way to the next task, I'm cleaning up the cooking mess as I'm cooking, etc.) I'm also not willing to sacrifice time with my daughter while she's little, I have to stay fit for the military, and I don't function well at all) without proper sleep.

I don't think all 2,245 square feet (208 sq meters) of my house and all 2.8 hectares of my land is going to be perfectly clean and manicured 24/7 without neglecting some of the other important aspects, and I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone else to have of me.

Anyway, I'm logging off now because I have things to do. If anyone else wants to shit on me for what I do, go ahead. I no longer care.

Goodbye 👋

BarbaricYawp · 25/04/2025 15:37

Surprised by the comments on this thread tbh. Seems to me the problem is that the DH claims to be expressing feelings when actually he is voicing complaints.

LeaderBee · 25/04/2025 15:29

ThatsNotMyTeen · 24/04/2025 08:21

you both sound quite mad tbh

i also can’t believe you employ someone to shovel your dogs’ shit. So does it just lie in dollops around the garden til the shit shoveller arrives?

Poor toddler growing up in this madhouse

How much shit should a shit shoveller, shovel if a shit shoveller shovelled shit? A Shit shoveller should shovel no amount of shit until the shit shoveller shows up.

ConfusedCF · 25/04/2025 14:42

Jumped the shark at the end there.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:31

Smallmercies · 25/04/2025 13:39

Our spouses? I don't have a spouse! 😅 I do everything you do (apart from the more niche things), plus work full time to earn my own money.

Do you have full custody of your children, or do they go back and forth? Are they in school? Are you spending quality time with them? What's the area of your house and property? How many pets? Do you have moments where you have literally nothing that needs to be done, or when you take time to unwind, are you just saying, "Yeah, that can be done in a bit?" Are you sleeping enough? Getting enough exercise? What are you feeding your family? Do you have time for hobbies, socializing, worship...? (genuinely asking; not trying to be inflammatory)

Like people are again being like "I have to work and I have so many more children than you!" again, but... I literally just detailed spending 95% of my waking hours doing housework and tending to my military responsibilities when my child was being minded by someone else or asleep; I'm not sure what more I could be doing. It's not like I'm being lazy, and I am doing things as efficiently as I can (the laundry is going all throughout the day and put away as soon as it's done, I pick things up that are on the way to the next task, I'm cleaning up the cooking mess as I'm cooking, etc.) I'm also not willing to sacrifice time with my daughter while she's little, I have to stay fit for the military, and I don't function well at all) without proper sleep.

I don't think all 2,245 square feet (208 sq meters) of my house and all 2.8 hectares of my land is going to be perfectly clean and manicured 24/7 without neglecting some of the other important aspects, and I don't think it's a reasonable expectation for anyone else to have of me.

Anyway, I'm logging off now because I have things to do. If anyone else wants to shit on me for what I do, go ahead. I no longer care.

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OfNoOne · 25/04/2025 14:06

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:00

I included everything for full honesty and transparency. I didn't go online yesterday except to post the list. (I shouldn't be online now, but I'm taking a moment while I eat my breakfast, before I start DD's lessons.)

I think DH has a different definition of "clean" then I do, and he catastrophizes (he said he was embarrassed of "the house being a disaster" but it was really just the kitchen that was a mess), and DD tends to mess things up just as quickly as I can tidy...Sometimes I'll spend literally all day picking things up as I go, and the house is tidy for like an hour, and then by the time DH gets home it's messy again. That's why the "if you just cleaned as you went" comment (which has been made in the past, btw) stung so much. Like I am cleaning as I go, for the most part; it doesn't magically make it all stop, y'know?

As for the cold shouldering bit... I am again disagreeing that that is "abuse." Most people act upset if they are upset. Not running to greet someone at the door, not being particularly chatty or interested in physical affection, (like you just said, "I'm suprised he wants to have sex,") not wanting to spend quality time because it's not quality, etc., when there is conflict is normal. My inability to exhibit emotional upset for long periods of time (it's exhausting to me, even if I still logically feel wronged, and a lot of times I just want to be physically comforted... by DH. He knows that, and was taking advantage), was resulting in issues going unresolved, and that's why I was considering trying to act upset for longer than I felt. To cue him in that this genuinely matters to me, and simply hugging isn't going to fix it... I do wonder if saying that to him would have helped, or if he would have shut down in expectation of more arguing, like he's done previously. I'm hoping what we talked about when we made up prevents that in the future.

I would definitely consider it abuse if someone grew colder/more distant for every little thing that mildly displeased them, instead of just talking about it.

So, you're proposing that a pre-meditated period of pretending to be upset and giving him the cold shoulder, with the calculated aim of manipulating him to achieve your own objectives... isn't abusive in your opinion? That you think this is a normal or acceptable way to behave towards another person?

...

It's not. Not normal, that is. It is abusive.

MossLover · 25/04/2025 14:00

BustyLaRoux · 25/04/2025 07:21

What strikes me is that this list details a lot of tidying. How then have dishes been left by the sink for four days if this is a typical day? Why is your DH embarrassed by the state of the house if you tidy every room you walk through? Also listing things like greeting a dog, picking up a protein bar and pressing a button on a tumble dryer to make you sound more busy..?

Your day sounds pleasant and relatively busy, as would mine be if I was off work. But surely the issue is that your house was a state, your house is regularly a state and your DH has tried to raise it and you’ve got angry and defensive. Justifying your time on here is all well and good, but the issue is not whether you have to spend your day pressing buttons and greeting animals. The behaviour described earlier (name calling, getting angry, cold shouldering) is abusive to your DH. I am surprised he wants to have sex if I’m honest.

You’ve also forgotten to add “argue with strangers on MN” to your list which presumably has taken up a good chunk of your day

I included everything for full honesty and transparency. I didn't go online yesterday except to post the list. (I shouldn't be online now, but I'm taking a moment while I eat my breakfast, before I start DD's lessons.)

I think DH has a different definition of "clean" then I do, and he catastrophizes (he said he was embarrassed of "the house being a disaster" but it was really just the kitchen that was a mess), and DD tends to mess things up just as quickly as I can tidy...Sometimes I'll spend literally all day picking things up as I go, and the house is tidy for like an hour, and then by the time DH gets home it's messy again. That's why the "if you just cleaned as you went" comment (which has been made in the past, btw) stung so much. Like I am cleaning as I go, for the most part; it doesn't magically make it all stop, y'know?

As for the cold shouldering bit... I am again disagreeing that that is "abuse." Most people act upset if they are upset. Not running to greet someone at the door, not being particularly chatty or interested in physical affection, (like you just said, "I'm suprised he wants to have sex,") not wanting to spend quality time because it's not quality, etc., when there is conflict is normal. My inability to exhibit emotional upset for long periods of time (it's exhausting to me, even if I still logically feel wronged, and a lot of times I just want to be physically comforted... by DH. He knows that, and was taking advantage), was resulting in issues going unresolved, and that's why I was considering trying to act upset for longer than I felt. To cue him in that this genuinely matters to me, and simply hugging isn't going to fix it... I do wonder if saying that to him would have helped, or if he would have shut down in expectation of more arguing, like he's done previously. I'm hoping what we talked about when we made up prevents that in the future.

I would definitely consider it abuse if someone grew colder/more distant for every little thing that mildly displeased them, instead of just talking about it.

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 25/04/2025 13:58

Seriously - listen to Dana K White. She‘s a Christian woman blogger who has helped a lot of people. You mentioned church so you might enjoy her style.