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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

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Seeingadistance · 27/04/2025 23:58

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Me too. In fact, I've not read past that yet - I came straight to the comments!

ThDanielDay · 27/04/2025 23:49

MossLover · 27/04/2025 23:25

oh please, that's not a "trap." That's called a logical argument, which i was making in an attempt to give him some perspective. He was participating in the housework for one day and didn't get everything done, and yet he's upset when I don't get everything done? You'd think he'd be like, "Wow, I never realized how much actual work this is; I should give Moss a little bit of grace." But no, apparently only one of us gets forgiven.

It's definitely a trap, it might be a justifiable one but you can't feign naivety to say it was done in good faith.

It was a gotcha and a pretty good one given the proximity and relevance, but it's 💯 a trap to point out his hypocrisy

MossLover · 27/04/2025 23:25

wombat1a · 27/04/2025 07:36

"I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?""

For me this sums it up, no wonder he's doesn't share things with you when you set traps for him.

oh please, that's not a "trap." That's called a logical argument, which i was making in an attempt to give him some perspective. He was participating in the housework for one day and didn't get everything done, and yet he's upset when I don't get everything done? You'd think he'd be like, "Wow, I never realized how much actual work this is; I should give Moss a little bit of grace." But no, apparently only one of us gets forgiven.

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MossLover · 27/04/2025 23:18

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 27/04/2025 07:30

What the actual fuck are you warbling on about now? I’d say you’ve got too much time on your hands if you’re got time for all that house bollocks and for writing all this shite too, but apparently you have no time at all to wash dishes or pick up dog shit?!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

I was away on military duty, and we were dismissed for the evening... I wasn't about to clean the hotel room

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ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 27/04/2025 18:24

MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:15

We have light, medium, and dark brown wooden hangers, and he likes them all to be the same shade, with the clothing arranged by color, to preserve the 'organized' aesthetic of his closet..(whereas mine being on every different size, shape, colour, and material doesn't bother me one bit.) Nothing happens if I use the wrong colour hangers; he just gets irritated and changes them out himself. He'd probably do more sulking/moping if I continued to mess them up.

I know he feels loved when I remember to do the little things he likes.He does that for me too.

Honestly OP the sulking and moping over hangers etc are ridiculous. Can’t he speak up?

MonsteraDelicious · 27/04/2025 18:04

MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:06

No no, it's like, charming. Think cute wildlife figurines in the planters and rafters, glowing mushroom baubles, floral fairy lights, hanging ivy, vibrant ferns, gold-tipped and blue-hued shrubbery to pick up the colors in the tapestries, luscious, earthy scented moss, candelabras, a quaint table setting, a royal portrait of our family in an antique, ornate frame, pastel wisteria immortalized in stained glass, a fluffy faux bear skin rug in front of a leather couch laden with decorative pillows and draped with a blanket that looks like flowy moss, sheer, embroidered curtains letting in the light from the floor-to-ceiling windows... And the walls, I had them painted with the most beautiful shade of dark, cool-toned emerald that makes it feel like you could just melt right into the forest... I can take pictures of it when I get home tomorrow, if anyone wants to see :))

I actually do want to see!

WeHaveTheRabbit · 27/04/2025 17:43

Your decor sounds very decidedly not to my taste, though of course as long as you like it who cares what anyone else thinks?

But more importantly, your insistence that communication with your husband must be on your terms and your terms only is very controlling. He has a different communication style. That's fine. It's up to you both as adults to figure out how to have discussions involving compromise and mutual respect, rather than arguments about nothing that descend into name-calling and the silent treatment.

OliveWah · 27/04/2025 14:36

I see we've gone off track from the original issue, so my advice for that on page 2 still stands, but I for one would definitely like to see some photos @MossLover!

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 27/04/2025 09:14

OK, so assuming this isn’t a wind up.

You sound very creative. And individual. You both do. And he sounds like a stickler for his routines eg the hangers. And you would both rather do all that than household chores. Which is fair enough. But it can make life as a family really difficult - because you both want the amazing decor and the complicated hobbies and routines and the huge property / visits to the gym together etc but have no understanding how much daily work it is to maintain that lifestyle. So I think the only answer is to just get a cleaner and lots of other help and outsource it if you want to keep indulging yourselves. Or even get a daily to do the daily dishes and stuff because it sounds like you can afford it. And stop asking for advice on Mumsnet because 99% of people will not get it…

Smallmercies · 27/04/2025 09:07

👀

OfNoOne · 27/04/2025 08:09

MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:15

We have light, medium, and dark brown wooden hangers, and he likes them all to be the same shade, with the clothing arranged by color, to preserve the 'organized' aesthetic of his closet..(whereas mine being on every different size, shape, colour, and material doesn't bother me one bit.) Nothing happens if I use the wrong colour hangers; he just gets irritated and changes them out himself. He'd probably do more sulking/moping if I continued to mess them up.

I know he feels loved when I remember to do the little things he likes.He does that for me too.

This is an example of prioritising going wrong.

You have a finite number of hours in your day. You're struggling to keep on top of the basics. This is not a priority.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 27/04/2025 07:36

Somebody has been eating too many glowing mushroom baubles.

wombat1a · 27/04/2025 07:36

"I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?""

For me this sums it up, no wonder he's doesn't share things with you when you set traps for him.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 27/04/2025 07:34

This thread - what the fucculent?

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 27/04/2025 07:33

Industrial succulent
😂😂😂

KimberleyClark · 27/04/2025 07:32

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Neither did I. This is actually a job??!?You pay someone to do this?????

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 27/04/2025 07:30

What the actual fuck are you warbling on about now? I’d say you’ve got too much time on your hands if you’re got time for all that house bollocks and for writing all this shite too, but apparently you have no time at all to wash dishes or pick up dog shit?!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 27/04/2025 06:37

So 14 pages in,

Almost 90% of votes saying YABU,

And you still think you're right!
Says it all really.

May have missed it, but don't see anywhere where you're willing to try and different approach, seeing as what you've been doing for years doesn't work.

I wouldn't have to consider acting angrier than I feel if he just stopped running away from conflict and worked with me to fix the issue. It's a last resort when asking him to talk about it doesn't work

So controlling OP, but has been said and you clearly have no self awareness.

That aside, yes please to the photos.

MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:42

Heronwatcher · 26/04/2025 15:24

our sitting/dining rooms are "overgrown enchanted castle" themed

This is all starting to make sense now. Was the kitchen theme “Cinderella pre-pumpkin” perchance?

No, the house came decorated like a 1970s industrial/western style home. We have bare cinderblock walls, sort of square-patterned corkboard flooring in the living room and kitchen, and the orangey tones set off the gorgeous, lacquered turquoise cabinets... Most everything is geometric or angular in that area, though hardly any of the angles are right.

I decided to roll with it and make the theme of that area "industrial succulent." So the cords from the wall mounted tv and speakers are arranged to spread across the wall, and I've disguised them with faux string of pearl vines, dotted with desert flowers, and underneath, on the flagstone low-shelf-thing going around the living room, I placed agave plants made of copper and dipped in shades of teal, blue, and turquoise, and an armadillo figurine welded from recycled coins.. On the sofas, I put a variety of the cutest succulent plant pillows, in greens and orange and mauve, and a blanket that's stitched in a way that looks like a cactus when it's folded. I also got a candle with a tiny wax cactus garden in it, and planters that say "What the fucculent" and "Grow, dammit!" which always give me a chuckle. The ceiling has crossed rafters and joints, such that they look a bit like long rectangular raised garden beds. So I'm affixing boards with hundreds of colorful, faux succulents nestled into foam "gravel," so that it looks like an upside-down garden. DH was so gracious enough to install this super cool, distressed metal cage fan that holds bare amber Edison bulbs, which emit this lovely warm light, and the base of the is also draped in string of pearl plants. The walls are a muted gold, like sunshine coloured.

I am pleased with the way it's turning out. So is DH, though he had to really "trust the process" lol

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MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:15

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 26/04/2025 10:08

I think that’s a bit unfair. The husband seems very demanding, with the dogs and the fish and the big home and the multiple elaborate meals at Easter colour coordinated clothing on colour coordinated hangers (can’t believe nobody picked up on that - OP actually told us she went back and changed the hangers when she realised she’d made a mistake! Why OP, what happens when you get the colours of the hangers wrong ?) and the delivering his water to him at work… OP is doing a lot to support her DH‘s desires.

So what happens OP when you let his stuff slide? How would he react?

We have light, medium, and dark brown wooden hangers, and he likes them all to be the same shade, with the clothing arranged by color, to preserve the 'organized' aesthetic of his closet..(whereas mine being on every different size, shape, colour, and material doesn't bother me one bit.) Nothing happens if I use the wrong colour hangers; he just gets irritated and changes them out himself. He'd probably do more sulking/moping if I continued to mess them up.

I know he feels loved when I remember to do the little things he likes.He does that for me too.

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MossLover · 27/04/2025 03:06

OfNoOne · 26/04/2025 17:00

"Overgrown enchanted castle themed" is making me think of those urban explorer videos where abandoned buildings have been reclaimed by nature and look like Cordyceps zombies might crawl out of hiding at any moment. And not in a good way.

No no, it's like, charming. Think cute wildlife figurines in the planters and rafters, glowing mushroom baubles, floral fairy lights, hanging ivy, vibrant ferns, gold-tipped and blue-hued shrubbery to pick up the colors in the tapestries, luscious, earthy scented moss, candelabras, a quaint table setting, a royal portrait of our family in an antique, ornate frame, pastel wisteria immortalized in stained glass, a fluffy faux bear skin rug in front of a leather couch laden with decorative pillows and draped with a blanket that looks like flowy moss, sheer, embroidered curtains letting in the light from the floor-to-ceiling windows... And the walls, I had them painted with the most beautiful shade of dark, cool-toned emerald that makes it feel like you could just melt right into the forest... I can take pictures of it when I get home tomorrow, if anyone wants to see :))

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MossLover · 27/04/2025 02:43

@JLou08 The more I think about what happened, the more I'm convinced he escalated it into an argument. I wasn't angry with him over his feeling; I heard him and proposed a solution in the hopes of preventing that feeling in the future. It was when he said he's said this over and over again (he hasn't) and then inaccurately "predicted" a bunch of angry/manipulative responses that I wasn't going to have, made the conversation go meta (a known trigger for me), and insinuate that I don't "clean as I go" when that's literally what I do 90% of the time, when the mess in the kitchen was a result of HIM not cleaning as he went...THEN I got angry.

I know I shouldn't name call, but him coming to "make up" wasn't just him coming to make up. It was him seeing if he could take advantage of my inability to stay emotionally angry for long + my desire for physical comfort (from him) in order to sweep the argument under the rug without having to actually resolve the issue at hand. It's not the first time. The reaction seems disproportionate on the surface, but the whole thing is so much deeper than that. It hurts and angers me a little more every time, and then I look like the crazy one when I've gone explosive over it.

I don't understand why we can't just have direct and straightforward conversations. I wouldn't have to consider acting angrier than I feel if he just stopped running away from conflict and worked with me to fix the issue. It's a last resort when asking him to talk about it doesn't work

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JLou08 · 26/04/2025 17:25

Just reading that was stressful!
You asked him what was wrong, he told you and then you escalated it into an argument which ended with you calling him names when he tried to end the conflict. Talking about punishing your partner with silence is not healthy.
From this post you sound like the problem. You need to work on yourself.

OfNoOne · 26/04/2025 17:00

"Overgrown enchanted castle themed" is making me think of those urban explorer videos where abandoned buildings have been reclaimed by nature and look like Cordyceps zombies might crawl out of hiding at any moment. And not in a good way.

Heronwatcher · 26/04/2025 15:24

our sitting/dining rooms are "overgrown enchanted castle" themed

This is all starting to make sense now. Was the kitchen theme “Cinderella pre-pumpkin” perchance?