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DH mopes because he says I get angry every time he expresses a feeling...

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MossLover · 23/04/2025 22:10

This might be more of a vent/detailing of events so I don't forget what happened.

So, hear me out. I tend to feel other people's emotions (like an energy or force) even if they're not directly expressing them, especially the negative ones. I'm particularly in tune with DH's; when he's anxious or upset or angry it hits me like a ton of bricks, and I feel like I can't escape it.

This morning we had our plumber, electrician, and dog poop scooper coming to perform their respective services. DH was getting ready for work when I felt anger and upset coming off of him, so I asked him what's wrong. He said every time I ask him to express his feelings I get mad at him (which, I have been trying to be conscious of and not do), but he explained himself anyway: He feels embarrassed of the state of the house when we have other people inside it because he worries it'll hurt his professional reputation (which I think is completely unreasonable because these are not people who are ever going to be hiring him or like, reporting back to his clients about the state of our house.)

I didn't immediately get angry, but I did ask him why he didn't let me know he felt this way, say, yesterday, instead of the exact time that the workers were due to arrive, and how he can be angry with me for not doing something he didn't ask me to do. He replied that he's expressed this to me in the past, and added some stupid quip about "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results--" and that's what first got me irritated because I don't remember him saying that to me ever, and I said as much.

He then said, "There you go getting angry again, and now you're gonna accuse me of gaslighting you," (which I didn't and wasn't going to do, and didn't think it was fair of him to say that) and I told him sometimes he thinks he says things aloud but really only thinks them, and vice versa (which genuinely seems like a recurring problem; and then he accused me of gaslighting him. (I was gaslit and emotionally abused all through my childhood; I would NEVER do that to someone else.) Naturally this upset me further.

And like, yeah, the kitchen was kind of trashed from Easter and from everyday existence with a toddler, NGL. But I had just gotten back from a week away at military course, and he had complained to me that the garden looked like shit, so I spent the last couple days mowing and pruning and weeding it instead of cleaning indoors. It felt like a priority because we share a driveway with the neighbors. I told him this, and asked him, if I had cleaned indoors instead of out, if he would have been equally embarrassed of the garden as he is of the kitchen. He said no, because he had hired a landscaper (who's not due to even assess the property til Thursday... Also, we've hired a housekeeper too, who also hasn't come yet, so this didn't make a bit of sense to me.) He also added that the house would be a lot cleaner if I just "cleaned as I went."

I told him he was being ridiculous, and he thought I called him a dick, and said "There you go calling me names again," (which I am guilty of doing when we have particularly bad arguments, but I hadn't that time.) and he reiterated this is why he doesn't share his feelings with me and mopes about it instead. I said that if he doesn't express them, then I can't change anything, and resentment just builds up. He said "Well you seem pretty resentful now," which was incredibly frustrating in and of itself.

He went away to finish getting ready and I left my breakfast at the table to try to squeeze in some last-minute cleaning, and while I was doing it I realized that the majority of the stuff lying around and the majority of the dishes in the sink were things that he had used to cook on Easter. And to give him credit, he did cook four different meals for 6 people, and cleaned up after 3 of them (I would have helped but I was cleaning the rest of the house and trying to get the bedding laundered and set up for our guests), but he gave up on the last one. And I don't even mind having to do them, it's just the fact that he was essentially blaming me for the mess when I didn't even do it that really pissed me off.

I went back to him with the intent to ask him why he didn't "clean as he went," and expected him to say "it got late/I got tired/I wanted to spend time with family on the holiday, etc.," so that I could say to him "If it's so easy to clean as you go, why didn't you just do it? If those things excuse you from leaving a mess, why don't they apply to me?"

But what he said was that he cooked and cleaned up all day long and he "thought someone else should take a turn," (he never asked me to clean up, btw) and that I was "comparing apples to oranges" because it was a holiday and he had done an exceptional amount of cooking all day... As if I don't also cook multiple meals and clean up afterwards every other regular day. And he got caught up on thinking I was mad at him for leaving dishes instead of my actual argument. He just wasn't getting it, probably, I think, because he didn't want to get it. I told him if he ever tells me "just clean as you go" again, we are finished.

Then I went back to cleaning and getting the workers to the appropriate rooms, and as he was leaving he asked me if I wanted to hug it out (because he KNOWS I can't hold grudges very long and that if he just waits long enough I'll be too tired of being angry to actually resolve anything) and then I called him a bunch of names because I was literally seething at that point. Naturally he goes, "Oh, yep! There's the name calling again," and leaves for work.

And like, the worst part is, I don't feel mad anymore about it (like I said, I can't hold a grudge to save my life) but I feel like if I don't act angry and cold for a day or three, he won't take the issue seriously. Like he has to feel like he might really lose me if he doesn't admit to being in the wrong, and then there's room for doubt that he's just apologizing without really meaning it.

I don't know what to do. Couples counseling, maybe ?

OP posts:
MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:56

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 07:39

Triggering for you? Poor bloke is name called so many times he even knows it’s coming when you argue.

you are abusive. Stop the nasty name calling. Stop the silent treatment

you’re doing the same thing he did. I just said I didn’t call him any names, and I wasn’t intent on it, and then he misheard me. It’s not my fault that I had a parent who would intentionally twist what I said, and do it again when I was trying to explain the miscommunication, over and over until the conversation was literally meaningless, all the while telling me to watch my tone when it wasn’t even a tone, and then I would lash out and he would punish me. That’s not my fault, and I’m cognizant of how it affects me, and I wasn’t angry until that started happening in my conversation with DH, with him accusing me of being angry and name calling and gaslighting when I wasn’t.

There is something the matter with you. Go to hospital if your hate boner lasts more than 4 hours.

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squirrelsarecute · 24/04/2025 07:55

It sounds like you're both guilty of pressing the others' buttons and communication is descending into anger your side and passive aggression his. Counselling could definitely be helpful to help both of you express your feelings and really listen to each other rather than escalate every time. The chat you had when he came home sounded much more productive.
Agree that sometimes when everything is just super busy and stressful (when all the trades turned up) it is likely going to be easier in the long run to say OK we're both frustrated or upset right now but let's promise to talk about it later when we have time.
As much as people are blaming you alone in this thread I do also feel a lot of his comments are goading you into responding angrily, then he can make you feel his feelings, instead of actually getting openly angry himself. But then he says he feels you don't listen to him so maybe that's why this pattern occurs - either way neither of you are helping each other and both of you play a part :)
Communications are a nightmare but overall it sounds like you're both stressed and feel overworked and underappreciated at times.

Missohnoyoubetterdont · 24/04/2025 07:54

Maybe hire a cleaner if you can afford a dog poo scooper person?

Blinkingbother · 24/04/2025 07:48

Sorry. I also didn’t get past that you pay someone to pick up your dog 💩?! This(!) is everything that’s wrong with the world - some kids don’t have enough food and yet some….

Heronwatcher · 24/04/2025 07:48

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:49

They haven't started yet. And again, I was away all of last week, it's spring time so everything is growing like mad and it took up almost all of my time the last few days to get the garden under control, and my husband cooked four 6-person meals in the kitchen and left it a wreck since Easter.

Honestly miserable as it sounds I think you need some kind of rota. In most houses I know dishes would be done on the day or at most the morning after. And no way would I be prioritising gardening if the kitchen is full of dirty dishes. It’s all just a bit dysfunctional.

ThirdCoffeeThisMorning · 24/04/2025 07:47

Does DH wants/agrees to having couples counselling?

If not, there's little benefit in suggesting it and individual therapy/counselling for OP is a more realistic option.

Sherararara · 24/04/2025 07:44

Well, that’s… a lot.
Are you in tune with feelings OP? Can you tell what I’m feeling about your post right now?

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 07:41

DahliaBlooming · 24/04/2025 07:25

I don't think you want advice or opinions, you just want to continue arguing your case.

YABU

Which fits in with her communication style. A pp said she “listens to respond” so will never really hear what’s being said to her, just how she can best respond and “win” the argument.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 24/04/2025 07:39

Wardrobehanger · 23/04/2025 22:17

Sorry i didn’t get further than ‘you have a dog poop scooper’?!

Yeah, me too….what is it anyway? Does a person come round to their house every time their dog does a poo to scoop it up because they are to busy or precious or sensitive to deal with it themselves.

Anyway, I voted unreasonable because it is unreasonable to expect anyone to plough through all that….

ZoggyStirdust · 24/04/2025 07:39

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:18

I didn’t call him a dick! I said he was being ridiculous and he misheard me. Then he was like “here comes the name calling” when I hadn’t even done that. It was like miscommunication after miscommunication, which was triggering for me.

i feel like most people can handle their partners’ moods or the energy from crowds without being nearly overwhelmed by them, but whatever.

Triggering for you? Poor bloke is name called so many times he even knows it’s coming when you argue.

you are abusive. Stop the nasty name calling. Stop the silent treatment

101Nutella · 24/04/2025 07:36

I think you need to agree some tasks you want doing every day and who is going to do them.
whoever cooks, the other person washed up. That sort of thing.
the jobs need to be split, not assuming you’ll have time because you’re doing childcare.

it sounds like it’s all getting on top of you. It is hard having a toddler but if you both do some jobs when they go to sleep(even if you tag out of laying next to the toddler) your house won’t be a horrible vibe for you both.

then you can reassess what’s happening, who is being unfair? He’s nagged you so you’ve panic cleaned. I wouldn’t do that, but I have times everyday I do certain things and time that I allow myself to rest. I can’t be made to feel anxious about things not done as I’ve been productive and now I’m resting.

Think you need that so you can both feel able to rest without feeling resentful of mess. You need to calmly discuss unsaid expectations as they can be laced in sexism eg why did you expect me to wash up after Easter? (Listen) Do you wash up when I’ve cooked many meals? So why is the expectation different? Etc

stop the name calling. It makes your point invalid. Keep it in, keep it polite. Find ways to be less triggered and use your words to explain. Walk away if he’s being wilfully obtuse.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:34

MarmiteRoasties · 24/04/2025 07:25

This is literally what I was about to type 😂

all the money in the world, no kitchen appliances. That poor housekeeper when they start, without those essential basics 🙄🤭

Actually I ran the dishwasher twice yesterday and there are still dishes left over

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Isouf · 24/04/2025 07:33

MarmiteRoasties · 24/04/2025 07:25

This is literally what I was about to type 😂

all the money in the world, no kitchen appliances. That poor housekeeper when they start, without those essential basics 🙄🤭

They might have. The problem might be that the kitchen is soo big it takes a long time to put things in the cupboard and to decide what to put in the dishwasher next

Macaroni46 · 24/04/2025 07:31

I don’t understand how you can mow the grass before picking up the dog shit? Surely it would fly everywhere?
As for the rest, just sounds like utter chaos.

whitewineandsun · 24/04/2025 07:30

DorothyStorm · 24/04/2025 00:49

Taking any responsibility.

Seems like it. I wouldn't even do counselling. What's the point? He should probably consider his options for leaving.

Christmasmorale · 24/04/2025 07:30

He’s likely being unreasonable in his housework expectations but you’re being abusive. Name calling would be marriage ending for me. You need to work on your issues asap.

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:29

Zonder · 24/04/2025 07:14

SAHM most of the time, with a bit of an army job very part time. Toddler in school two days a week. I do think maybe you need help getting organised. I feel a bit sorry for him given that he cooked and cleaned and presumably cared for the toddler while you were away and days later has been back at work while you've been home not even finishing the Easter dishes.

But my main point follows on from this pp:
you feeling other people’s emotions strongly is quite frankly not anyone else’s problem. Manage it yourself. Trying to push him to emote or not emote based on how it makes you feel is ridiculous and unfair

I think some people who are "empathetic" like this don't accept that sometimes they get it wrong, and can push people either to share what they never intended to, or even gaslight them by projecting feelings on them that they weren't feeling. Your sensing of other people's moods won't always be accurate and will be wrapped up in your own experience.

Unless you think it's some kind of psychic power?

I don’t think asking somebody “What’s wrong?” when their mood practically bonks you over the head from across the room is that leading of a question, is it?

Like I know, in retrospect, that he wasn’t ready to discuss it, but it’s not like I said “Why are you angry/upset with me?” (Even though I was right)

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Createausernameplease · 24/04/2025 07:28

MossLover · 24/04/2025 00:31

No

I 100% agree with what the poster said. In short you sound like a nightmare with no concept of the real world

DahliaBlooming · 24/04/2025 07:25

I don't think you want advice or opinions, you just want to continue arguing your case.

YABU

MarmiteRoasties · 24/04/2025 07:25

MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/04/2025 07:19

Probably missing the point of this thread but it sounds like you have a massive house and lots of money to throw at help but also that you don’t even have a dishwasher. Such a basic appliance that would help hugely in reducing workload!

This is literally what I was about to type 😂

all the money in the world, no kitchen appliances. That poor housekeeper when they start, without those essential basics 🙄🤭

McCheck · 24/04/2025 07:24

couples counseling definitely. Just learning healthier communication styles for both of you

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 24/04/2025 07:19

Probably missing the point of this thread but it sounds like you have a massive house and lots of money to throw at help but also that you don’t even have a dishwasher. Such a basic appliance that would help hugely in reducing workload!

MossLover · 24/04/2025 07:18

I didn’t call him a dick! I said he was being ridiculous and he misheard me. Then he was like “here comes the name calling” when I hadn’t even done that. It was like miscommunication after miscommunication, which was triggering for me.

i feel like most people can handle their partners’ moods or the energy from crowds without being nearly overwhelmed by them, but whatever.

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Mischance · 24/04/2025 07:16

....... dog poop scooper !!! - you have a dog poop scooper??!!

How much do you pay the person who wipes your bum!!?? 😂

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