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Called out colleague in team meeting

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Vergus · 23/04/2025 19:38

I have a colleague, let’s call her Sophie. I’ve worked with her for 5 years, albeit not in the same workstream. We only come together for an all-teams meeting, which usually takes place online. For some reason she dislikes me. Whenever I speak up in the team meeting I can see her sniggering and laughing and typing to her friend. It only happens to me. Today was so obvious. She was pulling weird gurney faces (when you try not to laugh and are violently suppressing it.)

She has no reason to be threatened by me - I am below her on the professional rung, I am 10 yrs older than her, I have never done anything that might offend or provoke her. The team manager and other colleagues think highly of her. She is very driven, and has excellent relationships with others. And yet she has clearly decided to target me.

I’ve put up with this shit for years and today I had enough. I could see her laughing away in the screen - I’d only been speaking 2 mins. I said - “anyway, I can see Sophie laughing so I’m going to shut up now.” She then blustered on with something like - “no, I didn’t know what we were discussing - the data or the finance aspect.” I explained what I’d done again very briefly and then said “but that’s me done, I’m done,” and then my agenda item was over. By this point I could see the messaging was still going on between her and her mate but no more laughing.

I turned off my camera and within seconds a message popped up from her. “Are you ok Vegas? You’ve disappeared! You are very articulate.”

I haven’t replied. I am not sure I should. I am fed up with her making me feel bad, and then not having the fucking courage to own it but texting me separately to smooth things over and get me on side. I believe she wants me to say “yes, I’m fine!” but fuck it, I’m not, because I’m not done, and I’m actually quite upset. I am a 43 yr old woman who feels like she’s being picked on in the school playground. I can see her visibly sniggering at me - it’s gone on for years. And no one else notices (mostly men who don’t notice tbh) but today I just had enough. I want her to leave me alone

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hopeishere · 26/04/2025 22:02

You can see them pause and glance at the bottom right. And then see their arms move to the keyboard position.

ThatNimblePeer · 26/04/2025 21:05

hopeishere · 26/04/2025 18:45

It’s so obvious in online meetings when people are messaging each other.

What makes it obvious, though? I’m not saying it’s not true, this just isn’t something I’ve ever come across personally. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen someone’s hands or keyboard in an online meeting, people usually just have the camera angled at their face, maybe from about the shoulders upwards. I don’t think I’d know if they were typing, let alone who they were typing to.

hopeishere · 26/04/2025 18:45

ThatNimblePeer · 26/04/2025 18:23

To be honest I’m a bit puzzled by this. If you only ever really see her in online meetings, how do you know when she’s typing that she’s typing to a friend? Couldn’t she just be typing notes or something?

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It’s so obvious in online meetings when people are messaging each other.

ThatNimblePeer · 26/04/2025 18:23

To be honest I’m a bit puzzled by this. If you only ever really see her in online meetings, how do you know when she’s typing that she’s typing to a friend? Couldn’t she just be typing notes or something?

KateShugakIsALegend · 26/04/2025 18:15

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/04/2025 18:07

You still need to tell people in advance that they are being recorded and there should be a valid reason for it given. OP can't secretly record it or just announce she's recording it - for what? why?

We seem to be at cross purposes.

Am absolutely advocating for giving advance notice, with a reason, as I have said in my posts.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/04/2025 18:07

KateShugakIsALegend · 26/04/2025 15:55

Ah, OK.

I think recording is common practice. I am often in meetings where people start with 'i am just going to record / trascribe this to help with my notes - assume that's ok?. I have yet to hear anyone object.

I also think the recording would be accepted in a future complaint. This is because I know of one case where a meeting was recorded in this way and what was recorded led to an apology and pay off. No queries were raised about how the call was recorded, in that instance.

You still need to tell people in advance that they are being recorded and there should be a valid reason for it given. OP can't secretly record it or just announce she's recording it - for what? why?

catlover123456789 · 26/04/2025 16:53

Good point. Problem is I bet Sophie is good as gold when being recorded. Although, if that's ultimately what OP wants, for Sophie to be well behaved, then recording each meeting on teams could work. Its common practice to record meetings where I work, especially for people who can't attend. You state "I'm recording this call" and then get on with it.

KateShugakIsALegend · 26/04/2025 15:55

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/04/2025 15:35

You cannot record meetings without giving notice to all attendees it is being recorded. Doing it off her own bat would be sackable. And "breezily" announcing she's doing it without her employers asking her to do it won't get her off the hook.

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Ah, OK.

I think recording is common practice. I am often in meetings where people start with 'i am just going to record / trascribe this to help with my notes - assume that's ok?. I have yet to hear anyone object.

I also think the recording would be accepted in a future complaint. This is because I know of one case where a meeting was recorded in this way and what was recorded led to an apology and pay off. No queries were raised about how the call was recorded, in that instance.

LyricalSixties · 26/04/2025 15:51

Well done! You dealt with it, now put it behind you. There's no need to reply to Sophie.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/04/2025 15:35

KateShugakIsALegend · 26/04/2025 14:53

There may be a corporate policy banning you from private recording.

Best to openly record on Teams, with a breezy announcement

You cannot record meetings without giving notice to all attendees it is being recorded. Doing it off her own bat would be sackable. And "breezily" announcing she's doing it without her employers asking her to do it won't get her off the hook.

KateShugakIsALegend · 26/04/2025 14:53

catlover123456789 · 25/04/2025 18:55

Be ready for next time. "I can see Sophie is laughing, I'm not sure what's so funny but I'd appreciate respect and attention when I am speaking". Record the meeting on your phone. Then go to your boss.

There may be a corporate policy banning you from private recording.

Best to openly record on Teams, with a breezy announcement

CalmBalonz · 25/04/2025 22:27

Screenshot and date everything

CalmBalonz · 25/04/2025 22:22

Good on you. I would have a word with her manager. It is bullying and needs to stop.

MounjaroMounjaro · 25/04/2025 19:39

helpfulperson · 24/04/2025 18:27

Am i the only person who has been obsessively looking at people on teams meetings? I certainly cant see who is typing or laughing. Maybe i need a bigger screen.

Well maybe they are not typing or laughing. It's pretty easy to see if someone is doing those things.

catlover123456789 · 25/04/2025 18:55

Be ready for next time. "I can see Sophie is laughing, I'm not sure what's so funny but I'd appreciate respect and attention when I am speaking". Record the meeting on your phone. Then go to your boss.

CJsGoldfish · 25/04/2025 00:59

helpfulperson · 24/04/2025 18:27

Am i the only person who has been obsessively looking at people on teams meetings? I certainly cant see who is typing or laughing. Maybe i need a bigger screen.

No one obsessively looks at people on teams, unless YOU are the issue lol

  • Imagine, someone asks you a question and you zoom in on someone else whilst you are answering just to watch to see what face they make as you speak
  • Or, someone else is presenting but you're so focused on what x is doing in case you can 'catch her out' and knock her off that perch she seems to be on
  • Better yet, you are speaking, whether it be presenting something or just an update. You are SO good that you can focus entirely on x, never needing to refer to notes or glance away whilst navigating screens
And you are SO good that you just know what, and who to, when you see her typing

It is very clear who is obsessive here and she probably has no idea that OP is fixated on her. I'd be surprised if others didn't notice OP though

Itsoneofthose · 24/04/2025 20:22

You could request a subject access request and find out if any messages were written about you. If you really want to go for the jugular that is.

Prinade · 24/04/2025 18:38

MrsWeasley · 24/04/2025 18:19

She only messaged you privately because she knows she’s in the wrong. She’s panicking that you will take it further.

This 100%

IGNORE !!!!!!!

helpfulperson · 24/04/2025 18:27

Am i the only person who has been obsessively looking at people on teams meetings? I certainly cant see who is typing or laughing. Maybe i need a bigger screen.

MrsWeasley · 24/04/2025 18:19

She only messaged you privately because she knows she’s in the wrong. She’s panicking that you will take it further.

SnoopyPajamas · 24/04/2025 13:09

Remember: every time you stay calm and don't allow yourself to be drawn, it's a victory against her. She wants a reaction. Don't give it her! You might feel like you're giving in in the moment, but if you reframe it this way in your head, you'll start to feel differently, and draw strength from playing dumb and being as blank as possible.

SnoopyPajamas · 24/04/2025 13:04

Omgggggreally · 24/04/2025 02:37

If I was in your situation I would of said in the meeting "I'm just going to pause for a second so Sophie can explain why she's sniggering whilst I'm speaking".

OP shouldn't use words like "sniggering" or be drawn on any feelings of being bullied. The second she shows emotion here, she's lost.

She should keep her complaint along the lines of:

"I feel that Sophie isn't paying attention during my presentations. She always seems to be laughing or texting someone while I'm talking. It's getting distracting. Have you noticed this, Manager? Could you have a word with her about professionalism?"

Stick to that like glue and don't be drawn on anything else. Don't let on how upsetting the situation really is. Vent somewhere safe and resist the temptation to have it out at work. If someone is more popular and well-connected than you, you will be made into the problem and it won't end up the way you want.

TheMimsy · 24/04/2025 12:30

Vergus · 24/04/2025 11:25

@MeridianB

She sounds dangerous in that she is has the potential to manufacture trouble or question marks.

This. And,

@Changeyourlifes

i can guess what her next move is, she’s going to say that YOU are bullying her. That you embarrassed her in front of everyone. That you’re always difficult and snapping at her. It’s a textbook move to attack before you are attacked in toxic workplaces

Despite my bravado in the meeting, I am actually very wary of this colleague. She has called others out, including the Team Manager before - he was worried an HR complaint was coming his way - he said as much in the meeting afterwards. Then they were as sweet as pie to one another when we went for drinks afterwards. It was totally weird and I think she is looking for trouble. It's horrible. I still haven't responded and now, after reading the very astute advice on this thread (thanks all) I certainly won't do or say anything that could be used against me. I am on shaky ground because although my work is good and I'm always professional, I feel that she is highly regarded by managers and seniors. Unless they are keeping her sweet because they too can see the danger!

Are these meetings recorded @Vergus - if so if reviewed due to any allegations by her - they will show repeated instances of her behaviour on work calls.

could you request access to a few copies for something?

Vergus · 24/04/2025 11:25

@MeridianB

She sounds dangerous in that she is has the potential to manufacture trouble or question marks.

This. And,

@Changeyourlifes

i can guess what her next move is, she’s going to say that YOU are bullying her. That you embarrassed her in front of everyone. That you’re always difficult and snapping at her. It’s a textbook move to attack before you are attacked in toxic workplaces

Despite my bravado in the meeting, I am actually very wary of this colleague. She has called others out, including the Team Manager before - he was worried an HR complaint was coming his way - he said as much in the meeting afterwards. Then they were as sweet as pie to one another when we went for drinks afterwards. It was totally weird and I think she is looking for trouble. It's horrible. I still haven't responded and now, after reading the very astute advice on this thread (thanks all) I certainly won't do or say anything that could be used against me. I am on shaky ground because although my work is good and I'm always professional, I feel that she is highly regarded by managers and seniors. Unless they are keeping her sweet because they too can see the danger!

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MeridianB · 24/04/2025 10:51

Totally agree don't reply. There isn't a question in her message anyway.

She sounds dangerous in that she is has the potential to manufacture trouble or question marks. I would avoid avoid avoid her as much as possible - don't speak to or about her. Go totally vanilla ice cream - keep everything simple and sweet.

I suspect the reality is that others can see her and her behaviour for what it is. And ultimately it marks her out as insecure and immature. So rise way above it.

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