Discussion about Jesus’s death which now encompasses creationism and the second coming. Thread 2

Cancerous masses can disappear either through medical treatment or the way in which the cancer has developed.

Eyes forming in empty sockets. Shortened limbs growing out. Missing parts appearing. - impossible 🤣

Look up James Maloney and Ian Andrews. I have met IA and know some of his friends. He absolutely does not fake things, rake in money, or live extravagantly. The car I once saw him driving was a little cheap hatchback about 12 years old.

There will always be suspicion of fakery, but check these ppl out and judge their credibility. They are not rich.

Exactly. If these things really happened, why is there no body of proper, peer reviewed research on it? Why are there no papers in actual medical journals on it?

Surgical implants or cancerous masses disappearing. Eyes forming in empty sockets. Shortened limbs growing out. Missing parts appearing.

I'm sorry, but that is just tent revival hokum for the gullible.

There are of course cases of spontaneous remission in disease. Medicine is not and does not claim to be an exact and perfect science.

I've read some case studies such as the ones you describe and they are full of holes.

@KeepHopeful your post is entirely predicated on someone accepting the concept of sin. I don't. I accept that I do my best and that I am fallible. That can't be changed by a deity, because there is none. All I can do is try to do less harm than good and leave the world a better place than I found it in whatever ways I have available to me. And when I do harm, it is up to me to acknowledge that and make reparations.

You keep quoting the Bible as the source of all the answers; again, that cuts no ice with atheists. To us, it's a book of fiction that has been used to do great harm in the world. We want no part of it, nor of any of its counterparts in Judaism, Islam or any other faith.

As forf the research on faith and happiness, I'm sure that holds water on a population level. That does not however mean that it is impossible for a particular atheist individual to be happier than the religious individual standing next to them. I do not see how having a faith would add anything to my life or my happiness.

If you're sufficiently interested in the truth, you can look up people I have listed and see and hear what they describe.

Start with James Maloney and Ian Andrews. They describe numerous healings which cannot possibly be by placebo.

Surgical implants or cancerous masses disappearing. Eyes forming in empty sockets. Shortened limbs growing out. Missing parts appearing.

Anyone credulous enough to put those things down to placebo effect really is capable of believing the impossible!

Am not missing the point - if you want to live your life with religious rules and punishment for sins, that’s up to you. Not something I believe in .

Jesus got executed because he got caught breaking the laws of the time. Nothing to do with anyone else’s sins.

From reading this thread, my life is way happier than anyone here following a religious set of rules and limitations.

You're deliberately missing the entire point of Jesus's death. It was to exchange His righteousness for our sins, because nobody can live sin-free by their own efforts. The Bible says that very clearly.

Research shows that people who practice a religion, especially Christianity, are happier than those who don't.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/01/31/are-religious-people-happier-healthier-our-new-global-study-explores-this-question/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6182728/

www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/03/23/religion-effect-on-happiness/

Duck billed platypus!!

Or to the placebo effect.

Or theatre. Got to keep the money rolling in ;)

Irrelevant! When somebody who was crippled gets up and walks, and a blind person sees clearly, it's obviously down to the healing ministry at that moment.

The Royal Institute Christmas lectures are a brilliant way of learning from experts.

There isn’t an eternal life - you just die, the end. Doesn’t matter how you have lived your life - death is a great leveller.

From what you have been posting about sin, doesn’t sound like anyone will be good enough, so why worry about it. Just enjoy the one life you have been given. Definitely confirms my thoughts that atheists have a much happier life.

Surely DNA is proof of evolution?

Healing ministries in the 1800s you say? How convenient that that coincides directly with the emergence of modern medicine…

What about eternal reward or punishment, depending on the path people take? You believe the Bible is wrong on that, but you won't actually know until the time comes.

Jesus confirmed His teaching with miracles, signs and wonders. He told his Apostles to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons, He gave them the authority, and they did.

Most of the church decided that the spiritual gifts - prophecy, miracles, healings etc. - were only for those Apostles. They were wrong, the gifts are actually given to all believers.

More Christians accept this and actually use the gifts in some ways in recent times. Note the start of big healing ministries in the late 1800s.

Yesterday I posted a comment including a list of names to look up. Those people describe healings and other miracles that God does now.

Hint - the more open minded people are about God's healings, the more there will be.

Sin is a religious concept - as an atheist not something I think about. There is no religious punishment for atheists.

I don't know how seriously to take this 🤔.

You chose your username! If it's an honest admission that you sin then that's better than pretending to be perfect. Everybody sins.

New King James Version
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The Old Testament Hebrew word for sin is khata. It means to fail or miss the goal. Darts players used to call a dart falling short a sinner.

Everyone sins in some way. Put me in touch with anybody who says they live without sinning and I'll prove them a liar in minutes. Starting with the sin of pride! 😁

Information and advice isn't blackmail 🙂.

Assuming all true didn’t those that lived back then have an unfair advantage re: belief? If you witnessed the miracles etc then a no brainer perhaps? Would this be weighed up?

Why not start life elsewhere if God too?

I couldn’t tell you what the Commandments are - not relevant

Good grief, morality and doing the right thing like not killing, not stealing are not religious concepts/rules and certainly predate your religion. Rudimentary codes of conduct existed among some of the most archaic societies. That’s one of the ways they could advance and sustain themselves. If a person needs religious rules to behave themselves then there are bigger issues. There weee many good and decent people before Jesus rocked up.

3 of the 10 Commandments are the same, about only having one deity.