Discussion about Jesus’s death which now encompasses creationism and the second coming. Thread 2

Some people think drug taking took place in (I don’t know what type) which is why there are outlandish stories. It may have been accidental, as in not knowing certain ‘herbs’ were hallucinogenic. No one can verify or not I suppose but it would explain some of the wild tales.

Human kind has neared extinction multiple times over the millenia, though not in the last few thousand years. Indeed, orginally there were many more species of humans, but only homo sapiens remain. Drought, volcanic erruption, meteor strikes and disease are the most probably cause, and there have been none of those in the last few hundred thousand years. The last time was long before anyone was capable of building an ark sized vessel. So it's fortunate that flood is unlikley to have been once of the causes as that coudl have wiped us out :)

Clearly you don't know your bible. What about the clear and explicit condoning of slavery? If god can take the time to tell you not to eat shellfish, not to wear mixed fabrics and cut your beard, he might have slipped in "owning people as property is wrong".

I don’t believe for a minute there was an ark full of two of each animals. Why do you believe these outlandish stories? Believe in god if you want but all these stories of arks full of every animal, talking snakes, talking donkeys, people being turned to salt, I mean come on!! It’s no wonder perfectly decent, well mannered people in real life scoff at such nonsense.

Don't be ridiculous. How were the people on other continents warned? How did toddlers and babies deserve death? Not to mention all the other innocents in the world. The only good point about story is that it didn't happen, being only a childish fable.

That's because your God is such a loser that he throws a big tantrum when people disobey him.

Absolutely religion and science can co exist. The science I have studied confirms my belief in a creator God.

UK baptist, not the American fundamentalist type! I know of at least 4 similar baptist churches within about 5 miles of the one I attend. It's a mainstream UK denomination, despite people on this thread making us out to be a crazy minority!

Agreed, and also surely part of faith is accepting that not everyone needs to or will believe. Because if you can't prove the theory that any god exists, never mind a specifc god, you have to accept that many people will have a different view.

If you then start denying science (I know, many do not and can quite happily let the two - religion and science - coexist) you are going to allienate a lot of people. As I believe Lincoln once said (or, if he didn't it has certainly been attributed to him), "better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"...

It wasn't on a whim. Noah told people of the coming flood and they laughed at him and so didn't go to a place of safety. Much like the way in which Christians on this thread have warned of the second coming and judgement and most of you have laughed...

No, evolution is the fairy tale. My life is founded on truth

I've just found it and read it! Not something I'd heard of in the Bible, and my first reaction was to think it's maybe not literal?

Or it could be divine punishment for jeering a prophet. I couldn't say!

One of my favourite passages...

2 King's 2:23 and onwards.

Beware of she bears 🤣

The Flood thing I completely agree with - the God of the Hebrew Scriptures is vengeful and jealous.

Where does he condone child sacrifice and murder for laughing at a bald man?

This wonderful god who wipes out humanity on a whim with a flood. Condones slavery and child sacrifice and murders small children for laughing at a bald man. What a monster he is.

On god's instruction and aquiessence.

As I understand it, beliefs about the Rapture/End of Days/Second Coming are very different across different types of Christianity. That part of the Bible, and especially Revelation, is mostly ignored by a lot of Christians.

Some people think John had lost it a bit when he wrote Revelation!

So you think think Mohammad rode to the moon on horseback and split it in half, or that women are worth only half the value of a man? The Koran is as full of bollocks as the bible.

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what religion is or requires. The whole point of religion is about having faith, belief without proof.

It's highly likely that we cannot prove God's existence - I question if we should try!

The concept of 'rapture' is new one on me, and not somthing we covered in RE at school. But, am I correct in saying that fanatical types see it as the bit before judgement, when believers (and non believers, somehow, as long as they haven't activally rejected religion but just remained quiet) get swept up to heaven, leaving the rest of mankind on earth. Presumably to live happily ever after without religous interefence...

But, where does the second coming fit in to this? I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that that's when jesus returned to earth. If so, that's a bit disappointing for believers, who have already been swept up to heaven, where jesus presumably used to be and therefore have just missed him. So, they don't get to see jesus when on earth, and then when they to heaven jesus has already left... And, worse than that, non believers get his presence amongst them!

edited for clarity - which might or might not be succesful ;)

Southern Baptist or UK type Baptist?

So satan is more powerful than god?

I hope you’ve noted it in your diary/to do list.

I don’t think anyone would change their beliefs as they are ingrained, mostly from childhood and through upbringing, but science, particularly evolutionary Biology and Astro physics, explain how the universe was created and how we evolved.

It would be extremely difficult to agree with one without rejecting the other. That’s why I can’t possibly believe in a god because the science explains everything with quantifiable evidence. All subject research get things wrong, they realise when they have a better explanation and understanding and correct it, or they have more advanced technology. That’s why 200 years ago it makes sense to assume there was a higher power called god as there was no other rational explanation as there was no technology available but now the technological advances we’ve made have say that evolution absolutely happened.

All religion is man made. No one has ever proved gods existence. Someone just saying god is real and they happen to know what god wants for us, still doesn’t make it true or real.