AIBU to ask what you think should happen with Trans men?

I actually don't mind what transmen do. I have transmen family and don't feel like they're encroaching on my space. One uses men toilets in public but only the cubicle, as those minus a dick would struggle to use a urinal.

I guess if one passed heavily as a bloke then I'd much rather they used the men's areas. But there's very limited opportunities to need to disrobe and expose ones genitals to others. I don't want to see naked vulva either?!

In the context of this conversation, cis men is correct, as the class of 'men' also includes trans women and I was seeking to draw the distinction between men whose gender identity reflects their biology, and those that don't. The petty rejection of precise language from those knee deep in the trenches of this culture war is at odds with the insistence of precision around biology.

Gender critics insisting people don't use a word they don't like also spend a lot of their time getting angry about trans activists policing language.

You can't have it all ways. Cis is a valid word. Trans women aren't women. No one can make you use pronouns you don't want to. You can't stop me using accurate language. All these things are true.

Pull the other one. The slogan was "transwomen are women", the entire debate was about what a woman is and even now in the media it's all transwomen being asked how they feel about it and transwomen pissing in Parliament Square and now threatening to hold a topless campaign in London next month (although to be fair, I'm actually looking forward to that one).

The only reason transmen are getting so much airtime now is so that people can use them to undermine women's single sex spaces like you are doing right now, for the 5 millionth time since last week. And it's all a waste of time, because the transman gotcha was addressed in the original law and again in the SC ruling that clarified it. Go read it if you really want the answer to your question.

I am so fed up of all the faux wide eyed posters with their " oh why don't women want men in their spaces" posts like it's 2014. And their whataboutery.

Trans men are women. It’s up to men if they let them in their toilets or changing rooms. If they say no, then obviously they should return to women’s toilets and changing rooms.

Actually I agree that this is sensible. Trans men are actually women so they are a negligible threat. It’s only male bodied people that should be restricted. They’re the ones that can’t behave.

...yes?

Are you having a laugh?
It's always men who say they're women shouting the loudest.

Please don't use the ridiculous and unnecessary term 'cis men'. There is already a perfectly good term, that is 'men', ie adult human males.

A very small number of trans people actually alter their genitalia. Most trans men will have female genitalia. Even if they have a neo- phallus odds are it doesn’t inflate to get an erection as that’s another complicated surgery. I think they’d be welcome in the loos. Never heard of an attack by a trans man.

So many places have self contained unisex provisions nowadays. I workout and about and most loos are self contained.Theres a unisex cubicle option at the gym and the pool.

I think people are looking for problems now single sex has been clarified as surely the rules don’t apply to meee! Hiw can you tell without genital inspections? I am clearly a woman and if you don’t like it suck my lady dick. Same shit different day. Best not to get bogged down in the whataboutery. The law has been clarified. No debate.

Trans men can almost certaily continue to use the men's toilets if they want to because despite the law (which hasn't changed, as far as I am aware - we just have clearer definitions of the terms used in the legal language) being clear about who is entitled to use single sex spaces, almost no man in the world will fee genuinely threatened by a transman in their space. If one does then he can ask the transman to leave, secure in the knowledge that his is within his rights to do so. This is not a fight for women to concern themselves with. Men are perfectly capable of defending their own spaces since they are vanishingly unlikley to be genuinely fearful of transmen.

Males in female only spaces have a completely different real and cultural significance. People who deny that are denying reality. Men as a class pose a real risk to women as a class. If they did not, there would be no need for female only spaces .

Many women have historically been kind to transwomen who use female toilets, not complaining, despite sometimes feeling unconfortable about it. This is because there were few transwomen and the majority of them until recently were just going about their business, trying to keep a low profile and did no real harm. Whilst numbers were small and there was no overt threat, women did what they always do, they were kind and accommodating and they participated in the lie that transwomen are women to save the feelings of the transwomen.

The encroachment of increasing numbers of males in female toilets, men who like to dress a females or to just declare themselves female (because they paint their nails and have long hair (eye roll) has put an end to that tolerance and women have claimed back their spaces. This has led to the suffering of those transwomen who have lived their lived quietly for many years and have used female toilets in that time. This is the fault of other transwomen /transvestites taking the piss out of the kindness of women. It is not the fault of women.

The fact that it has taken so long and has been such a fight to do this tells you a lot about how society treats women who ask for their rights to respected

As to transmen using women's toliets, I'd say most women are fine with that. some transmen who pass very well may be challenged but they need only say they are transmen and that will almost certainly be that.

Oh don't act so superior. As if it's reasonable to post a vague comment that you expect others to research to know what you're talking about. What's so smart about doing that?

I'm sorry but this has now led to another problem. People are allowed to discuss that without advance knowledge of your research materials.

Those stats are WELL dodgy. The 48,000 general population size is classed by the ONS as experimental as anomalies emerged that suggest people didn't understand the question in the census - apparently 1 in 100 people in Tower Hamlet are trans, and 13% of people with English as a second or third language are also trans.

Surely trans men (ie women) WANT to use men's toilets etc as that validates their choice? I guess they mostly pass as boys/young men, pose no threat to men, and can't imagine most blokes would even notice. As I woman I would not mind sharing a space with these other women, but the more masculine they look, the more it would cause discomfort for women and girls who think they are males invading the female space. A tricky one. Time for unisex facilities - taken from both women's AND men's spaces, rather than just relabelling women's loos and changing rooms as before, while leaving the sanctity of men's untouched.

The most urgent issue for me is men in womens prisons, particularly as trans women in prisons have a high rate of sexual crimes against women.

Transwomen need to be in a special third prison category or else in the male prison population. For those men who discovered that they were transwomen when caught, or sentenced, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

As this means that transmen have to be in women's spaces, or a third space, that's fine. I don't think they're a threat to women, as they are biological women, despite testerone they may be taking.

The whole farce of pandering to trans rights activists was allowed to go on for far too long, now there's a lot to unpick.

At least a woman in the UK will now be able to challenge the presence of a man in a toilet, changing room, therapy session for rape victim. If they're a transman they can explain that they're biological woman.

I doubt very much that there are many men worried about transmen in our spaces. It's highly unlikely that they'll want to assault us and less likely that they would 'win' a physical altercation.

I'm happy for transmen to use our toilets as they're female.

Many do already as they prefer to and it doesn't appear to have been an issue, probably because they don't behave as men.

I assume OP you have not heard of Maya Forstater, Allison Bailey, Kathleen Stock...I could go on for ever. Go away and come back when you have.

But only the biological sex determines whether a person is a man or woman, no matter what they’ve had done! That’s what all this is about isn’t it?

have you been under a rock? Women have been sacked, arrested, threatened with murder and rape for saying what the SC and Starmer have just said.

No you can't. Have you been living under a rock? The whole trans movement was about men. The piss protesters were men. The TRAs are men.

No one talked about TW ??
Come on

Link as the photo might not work for now.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

These people should use the accessible loos.

Honestly what is wrong with everyone! This is 2025 they are everywhere.