Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Free School Breakfast

86 replies

Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 13:02

I’m irrationally irritated at the comments on social media about the free school breakfast that are being rolled out.

Comments like “we didn’t get that help in my day” FO Barbara it’s a bit of cornflakes and toast.

I just can’t understand the outrage, anybody who begrudges kids breakfast is just awful IMO.

FWIW it’s not reached my kids school so I don’t benefit, we don’t get child benefit in our household - we’re doing ok. But I’m quite happy for my taxes to feed other kids of all the waste of public money I just can’t get upset about this. Think you must have to be inherently selfish to.

OP posts:
Danikm151 · 23/04/2025 19:03

My sons school charges 50p a day for breakfast club. 8 till 8:30.
previously it was a cooked breakfast but since January it has just been cereal, toast and fruit. This is due to budget cuts. I wonder if the funding will be enough for schools to sustain.
places are limited so I worry that with the funding coming in that parents who use the breakfast club to get to work on time will be able to get there or will schools increase the number of spaces available.

hopspot · 23/04/2025 19:00

What are people feeding their children that’s not cereal, toast or fruit? That’s all my kids have

Pottedpalm · 23/04/2025 18:58

coxesorangepippin · 23/04/2025 18:07

YANBU

Subsidized daycare should be FREE, for all kids. That'll even things out a bit.

And yes, food should be free in school too

Who do you think should subsidise it? The taxpayer?

Bearbookagainandagain · 23/04/2025 18:54

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/04/2025 18:37

Good lord - the hand-wringing about 'bland' food when kids in poverty are arriving at school hungry! No sorry, kid, I don't think toast and cereal are good for you, so have nothing instead, while I feed my middle class dc on more nutritious food!

Why would you interpret things like this? No one has said children should go without.

I would rather pay for my child or send them with a packed breakfast, so the school can use the funding for the children who needs it and everyone can have a good breakfast.

Blueyseviltwin · 23/04/2025 18:46

I dontcwant my children being fed beige rubbish at school. The fees wraparound aspect of it is helpful for working families but it didn't need the food.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/04/2025 18:37

Good lord - the hand-wringing about 'bland' food when kids in poverty are arriving at school hungry! No sorry, kid, I don't think toast and cereal are good for you, so have nothing instead, while I feed my middle class dc on more nutritious food!

coxesorangepippin · 23/04/2025 18:07

YANBU

Subsidized daycare should be FREE, for all kids. That'll even things out a bit.

And yes, food should be free in school too

Hedonism · 23/04/2025 17:48

Isn't the funding something ridiculous like 60p per head, to cover all costs?

I would never ever resent a child who needed it benefiting from this scheme, but it doesn't need to be universal. I would much rather my child wasn't eligible and someone who really needed it could have a sensible level of funding.

Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 17:44

@Totot i agree that’s a positive.

OP posts:
CodandChipz · 23/04/2025 17:44

My experience is secondary schools but the ones I worked in offered it.
It helped get them in on time, got them socialising before lessons, lots of students could eat at home, but won’t, so encourages them to eat.
Our school started at 8.20am going straight into lessons and some students had to travel to get there. My own school in the 80s started at 8.50 and we didn’t have the first lesson until 9.20am and there were loads of school buses to get there. It’s much more full on.

Totot · 23/04/2025 17:40

Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 16:57

I think the biggest issue is the children that will benefit would be the kids who were getting breakfast anyway. My kids use breakfast clubs as and when they need it and will continue to in exactly the same way whether is £6.25 per child or free. I use it because I need to, not because it’s free.

But it helps a lot of parents (let’s be realistic, mothers) who are on minimum wage and don’t think it’s financially viable to spend money on breakfast club in order to work extra hours. Just look at the threads on here where women are working over minimum wage, but think going to work is pointless as they’re ’working for free’ (obviously this isn’t true as childcare should be a joint cost, but it’s the perception).

TooBigForMyBoots · 23/04/2025 17:39

YANBU @Espresso25. It's mind boggling that anyone would resent feeding poor children and helping out working parents.🤷‍♀️

MushMonster · 23/04/2025 17:37

I have no clue where our first school got the funding at the time. But it was a proper saving one for us.
I do hope that the government has indeed thought about the financing bit. Because you are right it makes no sense if there is no money to do it. It used to be a given that they had sorted such a thing when they roll schemes out....
But on the overall, I think it would save the country money, get parents to work and keep the kids fed and arriving on time.

MushMonster · 23/04/2025 17:31

Whippetlovely · 23/04/2025 17:09

Only! A lot of schools do have paid afterschool clubs. They charge because it costs to provide the food and staff. My sons charges £4.50 for breakfast club. This scheme will only pay a tiny fraction of that. Where is the rest coming from? School budgets Again! We can't even afford the basics with our pathetic budgets yet we're expected to foot the cost for a hairbrained scheme. I think it's going to fail and not carry on after this pilot, we are certainly hoping so at our school as we can not afford any more loses in our budget. It would be lovely in an ideal world but it's not funded properly and the schools will suffer.

I do not mean that the school has to pay or the school staff has to sort it. But childcare provision in the School would be overall cheaper than in separate premises.
Mine went to an after school club nearby the school. They were picked up, taken there, till 6 pm. I obviously paid for that one. Ensuring, renting, heating and maintaining this other building costs money. It would be cheaper for the club's staff to keep the children in the schools. That is if we want to gather some control on overall childcare costs. I think it is an option to consider. Most schools run sports or other activities straight after school ( like football), which many children join a day per week. My suggestion is a proper after school club till 6 pm, run by a different team, but in the school grounds/ canteen/ kitchen.

SlugsWon · 23/04/2025 17:27

Gosh we've had this is Wales for as long as my 9 year old has been in school! It's brilliant, and nothing but a good thing. It means that parents can get to a job with a 9.00 start without stress (although from 8 - 8.25 costs £1). My kid loves it, but he normally has breakfast number 1 at home first. We also have universal free school lunches at primary, which are also a good thing.

Whippetlovely · 23/04/2025 17:09

MushMonster · 23/04/2025 17:02

My DD had it years back, in her first school. That meant I could drop her before going to work. She was at Reception year. She absolutely loved the dinner lady that booked them in. I had not a penny. Me and her father were working staggered shifts to cope. He had just fallen asleep at that time. The club saved us for a few months, till we changed schools. Then we had to pay for a breakfast club, but we saved on commuting costs, so it compensated.
I am more than happy for others to have this help. I actually think all primaries should have both breakfast and after school clubs. The space is there, the building is safe. The building is already heated. They have playing space. They really only need to get the staff to run the clubs.

Only! A lot of schools do have paid afterschool clubs. They charge because it costs to provide the food and staff. My sons charges £4.50 for breakfast club. This scheme will only pay a tiny fraction of that. Where is the rest coming from? School budgets Again! We can't even afford the basics with our pathetic budgets yet we're expected to foot the cost for a hairbrained scheme. I think it's going to fail and not carry on after this pilot, we are certainly hoping so at our school as we can not afford any more loses in our budget. It would be lovely in an ideal world but it's not funded properly and the schools will suffer.

AprilBunny · 23/04/2025 17:07

I think it’s a good idea, I’d pay more tax for this and I don’t have school age DC anymore. I grew up in a really deprived area and seeing what some of school friend’s living conditions were like was heartbreaking.

MushMonster · 23/04/2025 17:02

My DD had it years back, in her first school. That meant I could drop her before going to work. She was at Reception year. She absolutely loved the dinner lady that booked them in. I had not a penny. Me and her father were working staggered shifts to cope. He had just fallen asleep at that time. The club saved us for a few months, till we changed schools. Then we had to pay for a breakfast club, but we saved on commuting costs, so it compensated.
I am more than happy for others to have this help. I actually think all primaries should have both breakfast and after school clubs. The space is there, the building is safe. The building is already heated. They have playing space. They really only need to get the staff to run the clubs.

BoredZelda · 23/04/2025 16:58

Kitchi · 23/04/2025 13:07

I’d be concerned it’s mostly bland, processed crap which isn’t actually any good for the children. Seems more likely to be used by working parents as free childcare than the children that actually need a free breakfast though.

Like you, I can’t get that worked up about it though.

Yes, they should make sure these children are having eggs and smoked salmon, lovingly prepared by the gourmet chef on standby in every school.

Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 16:57

Frowningprovidence · 23/04/2025 16:55

I think the scheme irritates me as its not properly funded from what I can see and it is the easiest meal for parents to provide at home.

The free school lunches for pupil premium children are underfunded and are recognised to be a child main meal and ofteh their onky chance at a hot meal and increasing funding for those Would have been more my priority.

But I assume that cost to much so this is second best.

I think the biggest issue is the children that will benefit would be the kids who were getting breakfast anyway. My kids use breakfast clubs as and when they need it and will continue to in exactly the same way whether is £6.25 per child or free. I use it because I need to, not because it’s free.

OP posts:
Frowningprovidence · 23/04/2025 16:55

I think the scheme irritates me as its not properly funded from what I can see and it is the easiest meal for parents to provide at home.

The free school lunches for pupil premium children are underfunded and are recognised to be a child main meal and ofteh their onky chance at a hot meal and increasing funding for those Would have been more my priority.

But I assume that cost to much so this is second best.

Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 16:55

SendBooksAndTea · 23/04/2025 16:54

I think the wrap around funding approaxh is well intentioned but I'd actually like to see more funding for better quality, nutritious school dinners, especially for those who struggle to afford them. The cut off for a free school meal is so low that many children of parents that genuinely can't afford a hot dinner simply miss out.

I don’t disagree.

OP posts:
Espresso25 · 23/04/2025 16:54

ExistentialThreat · 23/04/2025 15:26

It's populist, headline-grabbing nonsense. Nobody wants kids to go hungry and everyone understands that a good education is fundamental. But how are schools going to fund this (staffing etc), are school buses going to get kids to school for breakfast time or school for the start of the school day? Why is it universal when the winter fuel payment is means tested? Schools are cutting teachers and teaching time due to the pressure they are under, I cannot see this being implemented in the right way

Yes I see the point.

I work in local authorities and see money wasted on alsorts. I can’t get cross about this particular scheme.

i wondered when someone would bring up the winter fuel payment - I don’t understand the argument that it’s a parents job to feed your kids but the governments to heat you home. We live in a house and get letters for the lady who was here previously and her winter fuel payment - makes me smile the house was a B&B and is huge - the help was misplaced. I’d rather a few kids get a slice of toast!

OP posts:
JohnTheRevelator · 23/04/2025 16:54

I heard a presenter on LBC a couple of nights ago who kept referring to the 'staff needed to cook these breakfasts'. I thought,so they're going to be getting a full English?' 😂

SendBooksAndTea · 23/04/2025 16:54

I think the wrap around funding approaxh is well intentioned but I'd actually like to see more funding for better quality, nutritious school dinners, especially for those who struggle to afford them. The cut off for a free school meal is so low that many children of parents that genuinely can't afford a hot dinner simply miss out.

Swipe left for the next trending thread