To be shocked by a transwoman guest on Jeremy Vine today asking a female caller what sex she is - and whether she’s “been tested?”

There are two black and white categories however.

For a tiny number of people, what category they are in may take a little extra investigation. But they will be in one or the other.

For the vast, vast majority of people there is no ambiguity at all.

There are two distinct black and white categories.
Male and female. Every human that has ever lived has been either male or female.

The point being what?

That a male person with a philosophical belief that doesn't reflect material reality is asked questions about their sex for issues where sex matters?

There really is not comparison to be made here unless you somehow believe that a male person's philosophical belief about themselves should be treated as material reality regardless of whether it is materially real or not.

That will happen when you're claiming to be a sex you're not. That's the difference.

It really is an activist trying to make those listening think that their claim to being a female is plausible.

It is really offensive on several aspects. It uses those with differences of sex development for political gain. Also female people with other health issue.

And yet there is this plea to remember that this group is marginalised.

The caller should have just called his bluff and said yes, I've had a full profile done as part of genetic testing 😂

It’s incredibly cruel to conflate issues facing those with DSD with trans issues….that persons friend IS a woman if they have androgen insensitivity as their body does not respond to male sex hormones and therefore they won’t have developed as a man and will have spent their whole life as a woman.

Read back what you just wrote - yes, being challenged on your sex is demeaning and dehumanising. I imagine that was the point the trans woman on the radio was making.

Some fool on tiktok was trying to say that as people with downs syndrome have an extra chromosome you can't be sure about their sex. Morons are everywhere and now it seems they are disablist too.

Quite honestly I would be happy to do a cheek swab chromosome test & carry the results around with me if this is where we are atm . People with DSDs could have them too & indeed should have dispensation if they have a female DSD . It’s the XYs who shouldn’t be accessing women’s prisons / hospital wards / sports / taking female places on boards etc

Stupid question. My answer would be “years of periods and uterine fibroids”.

I'm wondering how I would answer....Years of periods, endometriosis, 3 miscarriages and 4 uterine biopsies. I'm guessing that that might be enough.

Desperation personified.

the question was ridiculous , just shows how desperate these men are .

But only women do

id say I’ve been through puberty when I grew breasts and had periods, had 8 pregnancies and 3 births, had treatment for cervical cancer, am currently in menopause, recovering from surgery for investigations into uterine cancer.

actually ‘I don’t have a penis’ would be my answer!

I get the assigned at birth bit. It wasn't assigned it just is. Not all this picking one of over 150 later and chopping and changes.

Sex is binary. You cannot change sex. End this madness and delusional speech now.

Jeremy Vine. Not a great show imo. So he has a man who identifies as a woman on as a guest and that person asks caller if tested. Strange world 2025.

I found it incredibly demeaning

the double think is beyond belief. Exactly OP, and now how do you think trans people feel when subjected to exactly the same except in every aspect of public life

@AlertMaker I think when we have got into a situation that even the nhs asks on forms about your “gender assigned at birth” then there is a lot of unwinding to do about basic biology and language…and some individuals need to prove a belief they have about themselves, it says more about their state of mind.

It’s an attempt to suggest that sex is a ‘nebulous’ concept when it really isn’t.

TRA bullshit designed to argue that we can’t possibly know the sex of a man/ transwoman. Which is complete nonsense.

kindly. If they have XY chromosomes they are not a woman.

This is the case for every person with DSDs and i have a lot of sympathy with them. However they have repeatedly asked not to be dragged into the trans debate, as that is not their issue or problem.

And what would your friend say, even looking and feeling like a woman, if we DID have to present a chromosome test before we entered a single-sex space? Because they have been tested and shown to be a man. It would be a disaster for them. Nobody i know has any problem with people like your friend coming into women's spaces. Nobody. But your friend can thank the rabid TRAs and AGPs who have fucked it up royally for everyone.

i'd just say "no, plenty of us have done that absolutely unique female thing and had a baby, plenty more of us are doing/have done another absolutely unique female thing and have periods. And it's not as if we can't tell boys from girls, is it, otherwise how would you know who you fancy?"

So, my first clue was that I was born with a vagina and not a cock. Pretty simple, really.

There's a dim attempt at a 'gotcha' going around with memes about dsd conditions, which are vanishingly rare and unrelated to men wearing women's clothes and saying they are now women.

Ambiguity about sex is a different thing and extremely uncommon so to suddenly go 'what sex are you, have you been tested?' is just inane.

'Are you a biologist? No, I'm not a vet either but I know what a dog is.' as someone once said

Exactly. Did the trans woman guest share his male result?