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To Think That Archaeology Proves That Men Cannot Be Women

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MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 08:31

A burial site has been found in Cardiff. It dates from the 6th or 7th Century.
The skeletons are all women.

In death, when all genitals have gone, the skeleton retains the truth about the simple fact-it is either male or female.

There is no third way. That's science and hundreds of years after death, the truth of biology is retained in the bone.

Your sex is in your very bones-male or female-that's it. In the end, that's all there is.

Men can pretend to be women but skeletons tell the truth.

The story is on the BBC website.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/04/2025 16:26

Archymum · 23/04/2025 08:37

Archaeology also demonstrates that for tens of thousands of years, since the very earliest evidence of anatomically and behaviourally modern humans (Homo sapiens), some individuals in every society on the globe conformed to non-binary gender identities and roles. In the European Upper Palaeolithic, some of these individuals were celebrated and revered as spiritual leaders in their communities (i.e. shamans).

Oh, come on, archaeologists still pontificate over whether the Venus of willendorf is a drug image created from a distorted perception of self for ritual purposes (everything's a ritual object if they don't know what it's for) and whether it's possible a woman could have possibly existed that looked like this strange, distorted view - when anybody middle-aged with a couple of kids is shouting at the telly 'have you never seen a woman over the age of 30 before?'

They don't know this, it's a theory.

pointythings · 23/04/2025 16:25

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 16:24

yes but what if some prehistoric rapist like Russell Brand wished to be referred to as a dainty lady? would that not cast the entirety of reality into doubt? oh yeah wait no.

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Then he gets told to fuck off and we put him in a male prison. Opportunistic sexual predators don't get to make those decisions.

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 16:24

nietzscheanvibe · 23/04/2025 16:20

Yes, but SEX is binary.

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yes but what if some prehistoric rapist like Russell Brand wished to be referred to as a dainty lady? would that not cast the entirety of reality into doubt? oh yeah wait no.

pointythings · 23/04/2025 16:24

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 16:15

The majority of women in the GC camp originally had plenty of sympathy for trans people. Unfortunately, our attitudes have been hardened by extreme arsehole behaviour from trans identified individuals.

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I don't think that is an excuse. Constantly sneering, slating, hating trans individuals because of the actions of a few repulsive individuals on that side helps nobody. We're not going to get a world where people can live side by side when the extremists on both sides shape the debate. And there absolutely still is a debate to be had about how we design our public spaces so that everyone has somewhere safe to go - including safe spaces for biological women.

JoshLymanSwagger · 23/04/2025 16:23

Christ Almighty, has nobody heard of fucking GENETICS.

nietzscheanvibe · 23/04/2025 16:20

Archymum · 23/04/2025 08:37

Archaeology also demonstrates that for tens of thousands of years, since the very earliest evidence of anatomically and behaviourally modern humans (Homo sapiens), some individuals in every society on the globe conformed to non-binary gender identities and roles. In the European Upper Palaeolithic, some of these individuals were celebrated and revered as spiritual leaders in their communities (i.e. shamans).

Yes, but SEX is binary.

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 16:16

MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 16:15

WTF is that? Is it the same as asking someone if they are a Unicorn?

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yes.

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MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 16:15

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 15:59

are you intersex?

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WTF is that? Is it the same as asking someone if they are a Unicorn?

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LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 16:15

pointythings · 23/04/2025 15:55

To be fair it is about a lot more than that: It's about men in women's sports (I am opposed, there should be an open category) and it's about men in women's hospital wards and prisons (I am opposed there should be third spaces). Most of all it's about the way the system currently indulges men who suddenly and without any commitment say they are women, usually to get something they want (like a place in a women's prison). That isn't OK either.

However, I do resent the way some on the GC side of the debate portray trans people in a completely sweeping way, as if they are all perverted and/or mentally ill.

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The majority of women in the GC camp originally had plenty of sympathy for trans people. Unfortunately, our attitudes have been hardened by extreme arsehole behaviour from trans identified individuals.

LadyChillT · 23/04/2025 15:59

Holdonforsummer · 23/04/2025 08:35

Intersex people might disagree but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

are you intersex?

Nevertrustacop · 23/04/2025 15:55

Holdonforsummer · 23/04/2025 08:35

Intersex people might disagree but don’t let that get in the way of your argument.

Uh no. They wouldn't. And if they did, they would be wrong.

pointythings · 23/04/2025 15:55

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 15:51

How many women have been directly affected by a trans person using a bathroom? Directly affected. Not that many, it can't be

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To be fair it is about a lot more than that: It's about men in women's sports (I am opposed, there should be an open category) and it's about men in women's hospital wards and prisons (I am opposed there should be third spaces). Most of all it's about the way the system currently indulges men who suddenly and without any commitment say they are women, usually to get something they want (like a place in a women's prison). That isn't OK either.

However, I do resent the way some on the GC side of the debate portray trans people in a completely sweeping way, as if they are all perverted and/or mentally ill.

Dotjones · 23/04/2025 15:54

Well no, the Cardiff graveyard proves nothing of the sort. There's no evidence of people changing gender at that point in history, that is more of a late 20th century thing. Before that people might dress up in the opposite sex's clothing but that was about the limit.

More to the point, the discovery doesn't need to prove something that is bloody obvious.

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 15:51

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 15:39

In the real world these subjects are only a lived experience for a tiny minority of people

I wouldn't call the whole of womankind a "tiny minority of people".

This ruling affects all women.

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How many women have been directly affected by a trans person using a bathroom? Directly affected. Not that many, it can't be

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 15:39

In the real world these subjects are only a lived experience for a tiny minority of people

I wouldn't call the whole of womankind a "tiny minority of people".

This ruling affects all women.

pointythings · 23/04/2025 15:37

I'm opposed to violence against anyone by anyone. I'm also opposed to what has already happened to me once, before this judgement: aggressive questioning by the self appointed bathroom police. I'm worried for my transgender son who, due to a physical health condition has a full beard and presents as male. Fortunately (this is dark irony) he is a wheelchair user, so can use the disabled toilets which are unisex.

I'm worried that this ruling isn't going to be a victory for anyone because of the practical real world consequences.

I'm also laughing at those who refuse to look at the archaeological and anthropological record when it doesn't support their fully binary view of the world. The world isn't simple. People still haven't learned that.

TeaAndStrumpets · 23/04/2025 15:37

BMW6 · 23/04/2025 09:42

Humans are Mammals. Mammals can't change Sex.

Is it time to repost the Human Beings Aren't Clownfish" video? 🙄

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Perhaps, instead of identifying as women , men could start identifying as fish.

Problem solved.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 15:24

Who is us?

GC women.
Who did you think I meant?

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 15:21

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 15:15

Really? That's all?
But not bothered about the violence the TRAs have planned for us? And the violence already perpetrated against us? No?

You've got your priorities wrong.

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Who is us?

There is no place for violence, I'm against that just as much as I'm against violence against trans people many of whom have been dragged into this unwillingly. In the real world these subjects are only a lived experience for a tiny minority of people.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 15:15

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 12:12

You read quite a lot into that (wrongly I might add) when really I'm just fed up of all the posts about it

Really? That's all?
But not bothered about the violence the TRAs have planned for us? And the violence already perpetrated against us? No?

You've got your priorities wrong.

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 12:12

You read quite a lot into that (wrongly I might add) when really I'm just fed up of all the posts about it

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MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 10:57

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 09:07

Jesus Christ we're going back to the 6th century now to try and prove a point.

You've got your court judgement, you've 'won' is that not enough? Do we need this continuous stream of posts?

Thinking about this breathtaking post of yours, @BallerinaRadio

Have a little think.

When the judgement was announced, that all the Trans Activists say, "We have had our court judgement, We Lost. That is enough?"

NO THEY DIDN'T

What did they do?

THEY TOOK TO THE STREETS CARRYING PLACARDS WISHING DEATH TO TERFS, PISSING IN THE STREETS, DEFACING STATUES AND VOWING TO TAKE NO NOTICE OF THE JUDGEMENT

But was that just their last gasp, their dying yelp?

NO. THEY HAVE AT LEAST 15 OTHER MASSIVE DEMONSTRATIONS PLANNED FOR THIS WEEKEND

Well, at least the MP's accept it and that's what counts?

NO. SEVERAL HIGH RANKING MPS, INCLUDING DAME ANGELA EAGLE HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT DISCUSSING HOW TO REVERSE THIS JUDGEMENT IN REAL TERMS.

So, is this the moment for women to take your advice say, "We've won. That is Enough" and quietly slink off while powerful voices unite to undo the judgement?

No. IT IS NOT. IF WE MAKE THIS MISTAKE, WE LOSE. THE JUDGEMENT HAS BEEN MADE BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN DELIVERED. WE LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND WE WILL BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

So, @BallerinaRadio we could only say 'we've won' and quietly wait only if all the activists supported that we have won and shut up. They Don't and They Won't.

Why don't you have a word with them, telling them we've won and that is enough?

I'm guessing your advice is only given to women and I'm guessing I'm right in coming to that conclusion.

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KimberleyClark · 23/04/2025 09:55

BMW6 · 23/04/2025 09:42

Humans are Mammals. Mammals can't change Sex.

Is it time to repost the Human Beings Aren't Clownfish" video? 🙄

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I was replying to the comment that sex in living creatures has been around for millions of years. And saying it’s not true for all living creatures.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 23/04/2025 09:54

MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 09:52

Yes. We Do.
Yes. We Do.
Yes. We Do

Keep Shining a Light On It.

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Thank you for this @MrsMappFlint

You're quite right.

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MrsMappFlint · 23/04/2025 09:52

BallerinaRadio · 23/04/2025 09:07

Jesus Christ we're going back to the 6th century now to try and prove a point.

You've got your court judgement, you've 'won' is that not enough? Do we need this continuous stream of posts?

Yes. We Do.
Yes. We Do.
Yes. We Do

Keep Shining a Light On It.

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