To Think That Archaeology Proves That Men Cannot Be Women

quick interlude to point out that this entire case came about because the Scottish government was trying to circumvent their pledge to hire women by instead hiring men in skirts. women do not give a fuck what men wear but do not try to tell us a man in a skirt is a woman. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

it's not rude if it's bloody nonsense. you wouldn't agree to call me lady foofoo frankentits and I would think you were a fucking idiot if you did.

Not the ‘intersex’ argument… that’s so 2019.

intersex… or to use the proper, more accepted name DSD = ’disorders of sexual development’ are a range of disorders and anomalies which affect the reproductive system.

however, every single child/person who has this disorder will have either XX or XY chromosomes so male OR female… never both… so saying ‘Intersex’ is akin to ‘trans’ is insulting and incorrect.

this is a particularly interesting find being entirely composed of women. trans ideology would not let us acknowledge the existence of women.

What’s your ‘move on in a positive way’ then? You seem to have no problem scolding women who are still angry at having been gaslighted all this time that their rights and dignity don’t matter, but let’s hear it genius, what’s your cuddly kumbya solution to this clash of rights?

You don't have to pretend anything, but not addressing people by their chosen name is just rude. It isn't even about pronouns because when you are in direct conversation with someone, you only tend to use 'you'. But how hard is it to just do someone the courtesy of using the name they have chosen? Especially since the whole concept of male and female names is ridiculous anyway? Some calmness and basic good manners from both sides would take the heat out of things.

Always impressive how a segment of Mumsnet can twist every scrap of news into fuel for their culture war, this is an impressive archaeological find, it raises many interesting questions about the culture and customs of the time, none relate to transgender people.

Seriously, for some people it's genuinely impressive how much the transphobic obsession can colour their every thought. Doesn't it make you tired?

yeah that's all fine. but which set of bodies was brutalized and commodified by the other set throughout all of that theorising?

But there HAVE been discourses and theories on human identities for centuries, including gender and sex.

There was a very interesting paradigmatic shift in the Early Modern period.

Before that, European science tended to be of the opinion that male and female bodies were the same, but inverse - ovaries were inverse testicles, etc. This led to the belief that a woman must orgasm to create a child (good), and that a pregnant woman therefore couldn't have been raped (bad).

Personality was driven by humours - men were more likely to be sanguine, women phelgmatic, BUT it was also considered possible that women and men could display different balances of their humours. There were many women of prominence, status and power.

This shifted to the "two body" theory. Men and women were wholly different, and men were definitively superior. This changing belief led to the legal and political oppression of women, who were definitively inferior and belonged in the home.

People assume that history is a straight line. It isn't. Ideas and modes shift. This is just the current set of ideas and modes - and all have their pluses and minuses for what it means for individuals.

I have no problem with people presenting as the opposite sex but I will not pretend men are women. that isn't persecution.

A shockingly significant number - too many actually - of women have been ‘directly affected’ by men. Men as a sex class commit most of the sexual and violent crime. And we can’t police who the nice and nasty ones are in our spaces so only way is to exclude ALL men. Even those with trans identities.

What don’t you get? 🙄

I've tried to edit this post but it's not working--I wish it to say 'i don't give a fuck about men's sad/angry feelings'

And that is the attitude that is going to make trans people feel persecuted and unsafe. Just what we want to happen.

Science and common sense has already informed us that those with a penis cannot be women - however much they shout, and regardless of how deluded they may be.

It's exhausting waiting for them to get bored and move on. People have become so tribal the euphoria of 'winning' seems to lead to the same shit over and over again.

It absolutely is.

As for the ones who go on about how they can always tell - well, two of them got it wrong with me, so no - you can't.

And if it ever happens to me again, I will not be as polite as I was then.

I mean, it's better than 'the only good terf is a dead terf' which was on at least 3 placards at the protests at the weekend and posted on Twitter by the General Secretary of a major union.

(Edited to add - I don't (and wouldn't use) the term 'cock in a frock' but the language used is somewhat less aggressive than the almost ubiquitous 'die in a grease fire' aimed at women who believe in the single sex exemptions as detailed in the EQA 2010).

I'm very sorry that you are sad but I don't give a fuck.

I disagree too. Is not the term cock in a frock nasty and sneering?

I'm not even getting into the usual ridiculous argument about clownfish or slugs or mushrooms (I mean, for fucks sake - humans are mammals) but I always love the chance to post this particular image.

Hard disagree. Some of the language used to describe transpeople - especially transwomen - is absolutely hateful. It's sad that you are unable to see that. The TRAs are awful, but so are some on the GC side in terms of the language they use. The moderate voices in the middle who might get things moved on in a positive way are being drowned out.

then why are men in women's prisons, women's shelters. women's breastfeeding groups, lesbian dating apps, etc etc. etc?

women are not 'sneering, slating, hating'. we are standing firm in our boundaries against men.

I suspect a combination of a mysogenistic attitude and a beard might be a bit of a give away - that and testicles and a rather pathetic penis.

except in this timeline they do. men claiming to be women are in women's prisons right now.