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My manager is making me come in the office 4days a week

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Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 07:43

Since beginning of my role (which was coming out of covid), I've been hybrid working 3days in the office and 2days wfh. I had my own office but had to give it up for other staff that were in full time. Manger agreed for me to wfh and come in once a week - worked perfect!

In my recent supervision manager said he wants me in 4days a week "business need" and that there will be a room available to share with a couple of other staff. I've gone in and that room isn't set up, currently its dusty with extra office furniture/ equipment, basically being used storage room for now. I made a point to my manager and said could I continue wfh until the room is sorted, he refused and said to set up in that room somewhere in the corner for now.

AIBU here thinking I am within my right to refuse to be there until I have a proper work station set up, as required for my role? Not to mention sitting in an empty room for 8 hours with no interaction effects my mental wellbeing

OP posts:
kinkytoes · 23/04/2025 13:27

LivingDeadGirlUK · 23/04/2025 07:57

why are people suggesting OP cleans and sorts this room, thats not her job! She needs a DSE compliant workstation which her company should have no issue providing. This is a case of a bad manager asking her to come in with nothing ready.

Not unheard of and she can explain that's why her actual work didn't get done that day.

Most people muddle through for a few days or weeks before a DSE assessment. You can do these yourself online if there are major concerns.

Tartanboots · 23/04/2025 13:24

PlumRaspberryJam · 23/04/2025 11:22

OP, check your privilege. Nurses, doctors, paramedics, police, firefighters - all these and many more have to go into many ‘workplaces’ in less than ideal conditions. And so many do exceptional service (hats off to all of you!).

You don’t have a desk set up? Sort it out! Imagine one of the essential services such as a paramedic decided to wait for their bosses to set up perfect working conditions.

The OP requires a suitable workstation to do her job in the office, just as a paramedic/fire fighter requires equipment, vehicle etc to do their job, so the employer needs to provide it. She can't be expected to work in a cupboard any more than a paramedic can be expected to use their own car.

AngelicKaty · 23/04/2025 13:19

Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 07:54

Both husband and I wfh and have interactions throughout the day, whereas being in the office room is isolating. My role is unique in the service and so I dont have a team. With other staff its judt really a hi and bye on the kitchen.

Edited

But in your OP you wrote "I had my own office but had to give it up for other staff that were in full time." So what's the difference? You'll now have your own office again until they move others in with you (and then you won't be "isolated").

Edited to say I've now seen your later post saying you previously shared your "own" office with others, so not your "own" office that you had to give up at all. 😏

HSE legislation is clear that all individuals are responsible for their own H&S, as well as their colleagues, so you should set up your workstation appropriately and then ask your manager to check they agree it's safe for you to use - this would also give you the opportunity to raise any concerns you have about the office needing to be tidied up (surplus items being stored somewhere more appropriate) and asking when other employees will be joining you in that office.

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 13:14

HoskinsChoice · 23/04/2025 12:57

Oh dear. Someone's been groomed by the conspiracy theorists! 🤣🤣🤣

That's not conspiracy theory.

The government is currently asking for evidence on the effects of WFH/hybrid working on society and the economy.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/771/homebased-working-committee/news/205578/call-for-evidence-launched-into-remote-and-hybrid-working-in-the-uk/#:~:text=This%20inquiry%20will%20address%20the,the%20UK%20economy%20and%20society.

One of the questions is : What, if anything, is the impact of remote and hybrid working on the UK’s economic growth and international competitiveness?

Economic growth is closely tied to consumer and business spending.

Less money spent of coffees, sandwiches, lunches, the money spent in the pub for a work drinks on a Friday, less money spent on transport, reduced need of new cars, fewer impulse purchases when you see a nice top in a shop walking past on your way to the office...

Less consumer money spent means less demand for production which means fewer jobs needed in those areas of production so less growth for businesses providing those

whoamI00 · 23/04/2025 13:12

I think you can refuse but the desk can be sorted out in a day or a couple of days. I see no point in refusing it.

Theunamedcat · 23/04/2025 13:12

I genuinely don't see why there is such a push to get back into the office at the same time as trying to stop people using cars as much it seems that it directly contradicts itself we would all save money if we could work from home appropriately no-one NEEDS to be stuck in an office on there own just have some sense about it all

HoskinsChoice · 23/04/2025 12:57

Ponoka7 · 23/04/2025 08:08

@Needtosoundoffandbreathe you honestly don't see the advantages of being able to sign off for an hour to, go to the dentist/GP/local health centre. Or to go to a school etc meeting/play, let the boiler repair etc person in, rather than have to take a morning/day off? Not everyone works in places that make it easier to get those things done.
We are only wanted in the workplaces because there is less being spent on public transport, in coffee shops/food vans, on all the things we are blamed for eating. We also then spend less on grooming/clothes etc. The increase in road traffic accidents and the health impacts via stress, is collateral damage. It's a business decision by those at the top, whose investments rely on us spending.
The OP needs to be provided with a work space, that is clean and uncluttered. Dusty places need vacuuming and airing, not just a duster and plants (on the non existent desk).

Oh dear. Someone's been groomed by the conspiracy theorists! 🤣🤣🤣

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:57

CautiousLurker01 · 23/04/2025 12:52

Indeed. All the ones I know (nurses, doctors, police) all have 1-2 days working from home - doing admin, reports, seeing patients/doing meetings via Teams.

Yep. Totally support them being able to do non-clinical work from home. Absolutely no reason not to. World is full of mental jobsworths frankly.

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:53

SirRaymondClench · 23/04/2025 12:48

Your attitude towards work is really shitty if you think that all employers take the piss by expecting their employees to work in the office.

Employee rights exist precisely because employers took the piss. Employment tribunals exist because they still try to. Absolutely nowhere did I say or imply that this is by the mere act of requesting office working of employees.

CautiousLurker01 · 23/04/2025 12:52

aylis · 23/04/2025 11:44

Nurses, doctors, paramedics, police, firefighters

All entitled to request flexible working.

Indeed. All the ones I know (nurses, doctors, police) all have 1-2 days working from home - doing admin, reports, seeing patients/doing meetings via Teams.

Brefugee · 23/04/2025 12:50

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:46

With respect that doesn't apply to clinical staff. We don't have that choice.

yes but we are all grown-ups and must therefore accept that there are some jobs that have to be done onsite. And, as with everyone else, if you really want flexibility or hybrid or WFH nothing is stopping you looking for another job.

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 12:48

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:46

With respect that doesn't apply to clinical staff. We don't have that choice.

With respect, I AM clinical staff as are all the colleagues I'm talking about.

All nurses.

SirRaymondClench · 23/04/2025 12:48

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:18

Feeling sorry for employers 😅

They can't take the piss out of their workers to same extent. Every single person has the right to request flexible working. In many cases it's the same kind of flexible working the poor employers have enjoyed the entire time.

Edited

Your attitude towards work is really shitty if you think that all employers take the piss by expecting their employees to work in the office.

Hdjdb42 · 23/04/2025 12:46

I'd perhaps check with hr, do I have to come in? Also there isn't a work station set up, just a dusty room. See what they say!

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:46

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 12:43

I'm sure there are people that applies to but for many others it does not.

A lot of jobs advertised in my hospital trust now say flexible working including remote working i.e WFH is part of the job and if so, a laptop and 'phone will be provided.

I've worked remotely for 5 years since covid started. 99% of it at home. Other colleagues do more of a mix.

With respect that doesn't apply to clinical staff. We don't have that choice.

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:45

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:37

Plenty of people have flexible working within the NHS and public sector, whether it's part time working, job sharing, split shifts, and there are roles and duties that aren't clinical where other forms of working than on site can be facilitated. You're always entitled to ask and hybrid working or WFH is a legitimate part of flexible working.

I don't really care whether a civil servant is doing the school run and making up the time at the other end.

It's a bit tricky WFH or flexible working in the NHS. People don't get sick at a time convenient to you.

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 12:43

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:35

I dont deny that- but entitled doesn't mean you will get it. It's very well worded to say it has to fit with the needs of the service etc etc

I'm sure there are people that applies to but for many others it does not.

A lot of jobs advertised in my hospital trust now say flexible working including remote working i.e WFH is part of the job and if so, a laptop and 'phone will be provided.

I've worked remotely for 5 years since covid started. 99% of it at home. Other colleagues do more of a mix.

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:38

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/04/2025 12:27

Entitled to request, as all of us are. Not entitled to receive.

That's why I typed 'request' and not 'receive'. Workplaces facilitate all different kinds of flexible working.

aylis · 23/04/2025 12:37

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:25

Entitled is the key word. You try getting a flexible working contract in the NHS...
Funny how all the people that were essential and kept the country running couldn't work from home.
I actually agree with the government regarding civil servants being in the office. If the tax payer pays your salary you shouldn't be doing the school run or the food shop on work time.

Plenty of people have flexible working within the NHS and public sector, whether it's part time working, job sharing, split shifts, and there are roles and duties that aren't clinical where other forms of working than on site can be facilitated. You're always entitled to ask and hybrid working or WFH is a legitimate part of flexible working.

I don't really care whether a civil servant is doing the school run and making up the time at the other end.

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:35

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 12:33

All NHS employees have the right to request flexible working from day 1 of their employment.

It's pretty standard where I work.

I dont deny that- but entitled doesn't mean you will get it. It's very well worded to say it has to fit with the needs of the service etc etc

SnugReader · 23/04/2025 12:33

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:25

Entitled is the key word. You try getting a flexible working contract in the NHS...
Funny how all the people that were essential and kept the country running couldn't work from home.
I actually agree with the government regarding civil servants being in the office. If the tax payer pays your salary you shouldn't be doing the school run or the food shop on work time.

All NHS employees have the right to request flexible working from day 1 of their employment.

It's pretty standard where I work.

postmanshere · 23/04/2025 12:33

Is it in your contact? If it’s not there’s not much you can do unfortunately.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/04/2025 12:27

aylis · 23/04/2025 11:44

Nurses, doctors, paramedics, police, firefighters

All entitled to request flexible working.

Entitled to request, as all of us are. Not entitled to receive.

lazycats · 23/04/2025 12:26

As with so many of these questions: there’s no point in asking strangers in the internet. Either it says it in your contract, or it’s at the management’s discretion, or you’re able to make a reasonable adjustment.

WitchesCauldron · 23/04/2025 12:25

aylis · 23/04/2025 11:44

Nurses, doctors, paramedics, police, firefighters

All entitled to request flexible working.

Entitled is the key word. You try getting a flexible working contract in the NHS...
Funny how all the people that were essential and kept the country running couldn't work from home.
I actually agree with the government regarding civil servants being in the office. If the tax payer pays your salary you shouldn't be doing the school run or the food shop on work time.