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My manager is making me come in the office 4days a week

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Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 07:43

Since beginning of my role (which was coming out of covid), I've been hybrid working 3days in the office and 2days wfh. I had my own office but had to give it up for other staff that were in full time. Manger agreed for me to wfh and come in once a week - worked perfect!

In my recent supervision manager said he wants me in 4days a week "business need" and that there will be a room available to share with a couple of other staff. I've gone in and that room isn't set up, currently its dusty with extra office furniture/ equipment, basically being used storage room for now. I made a point to my manager and said could I continue wfh until the room is sorted, he refused and said to set up in that room somewhere in the corner for now.

AIBU here thinking I am within my right to refuse to be there until I have a proper work station set up, as required for my role? Not to mention sitting in an empty room for 8 hours with no interaction effects my mental wellbeing

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LuluDelulu · 23/04/2025 08:54

I’d start looking for a new job.

BitOutOfPractice · 23/04/2025 08:54

You clearly don’t want to do into the office. I get that. But you’re clutching at straws here.

lafillette · 23/04/2025 08:50

Tryingtohelp12 · 23/04/2025 07:50

Well you are presumably sitting in an empty room at home so I don’t think you can use that.

A lot will boil down to your location in your contract, although you might be able to argue working practice

What do you mean by working practice? I have a situation where this could be relevant. WFH since starting 10 years ago as did rest of team, pre-COVID went in once monthly for face to face meeting. Now business is requiring everyone back 20% of the time which is still much less for most people who all worked from the office before but is actually more for me - from once a month to once a week. Contract says office based, which I challenged at the time I received it because all discussions were based on WFH. HR wouldn’t change it but they/my manager said not to worry as it I would be working from home. And that’s how it’s been until now. So wondering about the working practice V contract issue.

Napface · 23/04/2025 08:49

You can tell who works from home and who doesn't on these threads. Yanbu op. Many people have been working from home for years and it's a pain in the arse when managers suddenly try to change it. We'd be stuffed if dp had to go back full time, him and at least two other members of his team would almost certainly leave.

Also I can totally understand why working in an office / store room alone is more depressing than working at home alone. Unfortunately as people have pointed out, your contract is what you are obliged to follow and they are usually vague enough that the company can basically do what they like.

Bellyblueboy · 23/04/2025 08:48

SquirrelMadness · 23/04/2025 08:21

I think a lot of people voting on this thread will be people who are jealous of those who are able to work effectively from home.

I would also request a DSE workstation referral and while that is happening I would start looking for a new job with better hybrid arrangements. I don't think they can force you to work in the corner of a dusty office without a proper assessment. I also wouldn't want to work for an organisation that requires me to change my working patterns without explaining why.

I don’t think its about jealousy😊.

OP’s contract seems to say she has to go into the office. Lots of employers are changing their approach to WFH and requiring more days in the office. This was bound to happen; particularly as some people abused the arrangement.

OP can consider whether she will find a different job with a company that allows more days at home than her current employer. Those jobs are still out there, but it is industry specific and she will need to check her contract to ensure the employer can’t increase the office days.

She is also working for a small company so there isn’t the army of HR and others to look into her objections and get her office set up. She might have to do some of that herself.

But this is a reality of employment today for many - big and small companies all over the world are increasing mandated days in the office:

HoskinsChoice · 23/04/2025 08:43

Unbeleevable · 23/04/2025 07:52

Personally I’d buy a couple of plants, take in a duster and just get on with it. Job hunt if you like.

I would also make sure all my dental appointments, medical appointments etc land on the extra day I’m in the office. And say to boss “I will need to leave at x because I have a dental checkup/smear test/contraceptive review at 2pm sorry only appointment I could get.”

That will help remind manager there’s a big advantage of wfh for employee flexibility and employee productivity.

Presumably the OP is not 12 so she probably won't stoop to this level of childish pettiness.

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 23/04/2025 08:42

Ponoka7 · 23/04/2025 08:08

@Needtosoundoffandbreathe you honestly don't see the advantages of being able to sign off for an hour to, go to the dentist/GP/local health centre. Or to go to a school etc meeting/play, let the boiler repair etc person in, rather than have to take a morning/day off? Not everyone works in places that make it easier to get those things done.
We are only wanted in the workplaces because there is less being spent on public transport, in coffee shops/food vans, on all the things we are blamed for eating. We also then spend less on grooming/clothes etc. The increase in road traffic accidents and the health impacts via stress, is collateral damage. It's a business decision by those at the top, whose investments rely on us spending.
The OP needs to be provided with a work space, that is clean and uncluttered. Dusty places need vacuuming and airing, not just a duster and plants (on the non existent desk).

The advantages are for the employee only! You don't even suggest making up the time. Not a great explanation.

What I do think is that flexibility generally makes for happier employees which has benefits for the employer too.

brunettemic · 23/04/2025 08:42

Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 08:40

Not exact quote but It sayssomething along the lines flexible working at discretion of business

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Well you need to know exactly what it says and then how discuss how that correlates to the recent request. This request would align to what you’ve put there though.

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Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 08:40

brunettemic · 23/04/2025 08:38

What’s your contractual place of work? It’s the only relevant factor to whether or not you have to go back in as requested.

Not exact quote but It sayssomething along the lines flexible working at discretion of business

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brunettemic · 23/04/2025 08:38

What’s your contractual place of work? It’s the only relevant factor to whether or not you have to go back in as requested.

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Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 08:38

Sorry forgot to mention. Previously when I had an office, it was shared with someone else

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AgnesX · 23/04/2025 08:38

Doggymummar · 23/04/2025 07:51

I would say that I will come in once occupational health arrive to do my DSE and have signed the workstation off and not before.

OH don't do DSE assessments unless as part of a reasonable adjustment request. The OP doesn't appear to have that.

RedSkyDelights · 23/04/2025 08:37

It's reasonable to expect to have a proper workspace. However, why can't you just work wherever it is you have been working up till now?

I'm not sure how you can complain about lack of interaction when you have previously had your own office and it sounds like you do interact with other staff anyway. What does your contract say about your workplace?

Caravaggiouch · 23/04/2025 08:37

CautiousLurker01 · 23/04/2025 08:31

My DH’s husband is about to announce everyone back in the office 80% from X date too. DH not bothered as he does that already (was trying to role model it to colleagues and those reporting into him), but is very concerned he will lose talented reportees if this is implemented with a sledgehammer.

I do think people were naive if employed on a office based contract pre covid to not anticipate a ‘return to normal’ eventually, but I think many companies should have done t immediately rather than allow this to continue for so many years - during which time employees have assumed it was permanent - and then suddenly change the rules.

I think a lot of organisations were supportive of wfh though, which is why they didn’t immediately revert after lockdown. It’s taken this time for the negatives to really show - such as on development of new staff, training, productivity (for the organisation as a whole not just individual by individual), and that’s why they’re now changing.

Ginnnny · 23/04/2025 08:36

I work in HR and when my workplace mandated a return to 3-4 days in office I was bombarded with complaints. Unless your contract states your hybrid working pattern, your employer absolutely sets the rules - unless you apply for and have formal flexible working approved. And if anywhere else is like my work, these are really scrutinised for relevance and how to support business need.
Sitting in a room that isn't fit for purpose is an issue though, do you have health and safety people who do spot checks on workstations and office set up?

DarcyProudman · 23/04/2025 08:34

You’ve said you used to have your own office, so you can’t use being on your own with no interaction as a (crap) excuse to not go in 4 days a week. You can interact with your DH outside of working hours 😀

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Lavendar01 · 23/04/2025 08:34

I cant find copy of my contract but I'm pretty sure it said flexible working If agreed my business, or something along those lines. So can't rely on that.

Admit I don't want to be in the office, as wfh the past couple of years has worked fine for myself and business and my performance is evidential. Managers reasons to bring me in is because the performance of staff is dropping and he thinks it's because more "presence" is needed from myself. My argument to that was that sounds like the job for their team managers, to manage staff morale and performance. He didn't buy it.

Anyway, I've made my peace having to go in, but being in an empty room that is not already set up like all other office rooms, I dont feel that supports having more "presence" nor is it suitable working environment. The agreement was to share a room with other staff, I would very much prefer that.

It's not a big business, no DSE team as such. It would be my manager physically setting the room up

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SlagPit · 23/04/2025 08:34

Chaseandstatus · 23/04/2025 08:06

I would sort the office out myself and get on with it. Much better to have a positive attitude than to be whinging and looking at the negatives. Then if you really hate it, look for another job.

This. "I want to WFH so I can chat to my husband, ooh and there's some dust here" isn't going to show the OP in a good light.

Caravaggiouch · 23/04/2025 08:34

Your “being on my own” argument carries no weight when you start by grumbling that you used to have your own office, and you’ve been wfh without any other colleagues.

They should be providing you with a proper work environment though, a decent desk, chair etc.

IME things have really changed around expectations of office attendance in the last 18 months or so, you will find that if you decide to look elsewhere.

AbigfanofDogs · 23/04/2025 08:34

No point making up excuses not to come into the office, if you don’t want to come in 4 days a week, tell your manager straight and if there is no compromise, start looking for a new role.

I realised years ago when this push back into the office started, that I preferred working from home more than my career, so I’ve now pivoted into self employment.

BadSkiingMum · 23/04/2025 08:33

Put in a request to facilities to get the room sorted out, but just wipe and straighten up a desk for yourself in the meantime. Surely everyone has to do a little office tidying from time-to-time…

Your manager clearly has plans for the space so it will soon be looking like a proper office. Once there are other colleagues in there you won’t be on your own either.

Sorry, but you come over as a little bit fussy in your post. It seems to be a temporary issue.

Bluebellwood129 · 23/04/2025 08:33

That will help remind manager there’s a big advantage of wfh for employee flexibility and employee productivity.

Presumably there is no advantage regarding productivity in the OP's organisation or they wouldn't be requesting an extra day in the office.

CautiousLurker01 · 23/04/2025 08:31

My DH’s husband is about to announce everyone back in the office 80% from X date too. DH not bothered as he does that already (was trying to role model it to colleagues and those reporting into him), but is very concerned he will lose talented reportees if this is implemented with a sledgehammer.

I do think people were naive if employed on a office based contract pre covid to not anticipate a ‘return to normal’ eventually, but I think many companies should have done t immediately rather than allow this to continue for so many years - during which time employees have assumed it was permanent - and then suddenly change the rules.

PaperHatter · 23/04/2025 08:26

Put it all in writing, the state of the "office" space you have been given and formally request a DSE compliant workspace. I would state until then you will continue to work from home as previously agreed. I would be pushing back on the need to be in the office anyway and refer back to your performance reviews whilst you have been hybrid working.

Flamingoknees · 23/04/2025 08:25

You were sitting on your own when you had your own office. You are clurching at straws with the mental healrh claims.
I'd want to know who will be sorting out the office and in what time frame though. I wouldn't sit indefinitely in a dusty storage room, if everyone else has a pleasant office.

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