To think that social standards have slipped because people don’t feel shame anymore?

Ah OP I am in total agreement with your first post.
Yes, the sense of keeping oneself in check seems to have vanished. No respect for the way you present yourself in public and at home which, to my mind, it shows disrespect for all other people. I don't know why this has happened.
I guess it starts at home but also the community. Perhaps lack of religion too, although I am not religious myself, there is something in a wider community that would guide individuals towards a certain acceptable behaviour.
Although I would say certain things are for the best. For example, not that long ago, being divorced or a single mother would have been seen as shameful for women . Which is so, so wrong.
But it wouldn't hurt for some feeling of embarrassment for people who are loud in public or disregard norms of politeness. Spitting, coughing loudly, making loud noises, burping, dirty hair, unkempt appearance, littering, driving like an idiot, pushing in in front of queues, aggressiveness, lying etc etc. I can't stand these sorts of things.

Exactly @WhatNoRaisins

I completely agree.

My post earlier was regarding 'Did your mother never teach you'.

It's down to both parents to teach manners and respect, not just the mother.

I've never even thought of wolves as particularly rude. Don't they have a strict social hierarchy in their packs? I digress.

I do think it starts at home though. It's why I'm cynical about the my little family mentality that seems even more common now along with the fetishization of introversion. Good luck teaching your kids social responsibilities when they never see you positively interact with someone outside of the family unit.

@PluckyBamboo

I would prefer kids are empowered to be themselves that brought up to feel a life of shame or embarrassment for things that aren't really important in the grand scale of things

Where do you draw the line? I'm sure the little shits feel empowered when they chuck maccy D wrappers out of the car, or drop litter, speed in their soop-ed up VW Golfs, or vandalise a bus shelter or break someone's window with a brick or bully someone who doesn't look like them. But is that acceptable?? What is "important in the grand scale of things"? You may not think being polite and having manners is "important", but I'm sure the majority do!

"Did your parents never teach you".

Wolves sound a little more interesting but not as relevant

I suppose "were you raised by wolves?" is a more gender neutral way to say the same thing.

Yes, of course.

I didn't say otherwise?

I said it was sexist.

Who said anything about carrying on the same behaviour?

You seem to be wriggling around whenever anyone asks you this or a similar question.

So, if someone's dog shits outside your house and the owner doesn't pick it up (ok then, just once), should they not feel ashamed?

It's a perfectly simple question.

I’m in London and my experience has shown me that lack of consideration around phones with their volume on and no headphones (equalling a total lack of shame at their behaviour) cuts across all demographics - young, old, black, white, British, foreign, male, female. All guilty. All shameless.

I'm not sure it is any worse. Didn't people throw shit out of their windows and not wash for days just 400 years ago.
Potentially, the 50s and 60s were the peak of human decorum and then it's a gradual slide back to humanity being just a bit gross.

And the problem is, when you take that knowledge away, you also lose the ability to reason and take on board others’ view points.

Well I can't go back in time and change my attitude to please you. Luckily I only feel indifferent towards you.

Perhaps the intellectual environment HAS been dumbed down?

UK television used to be superb, with a vast range of entertainment and informative content, from Benny Hill to Lord Clark. I can't remember when I last watched UK terrestrial broadcast TV because unscripted idiocy has become the norm. TV is now so slow and plodding because every nuance now has to be bludgeoned home, and that can only be because the audience is either ignorant or stupid. Otherwise, the programme makers and commissioners would realise that audiences were deserting them and commission something else.

So? I was considerate of others when I was a teenager and didn't think I could behave however I liked towards others just because I didn't know them.

I think I’d volley their phones out of the nearest window. Go on, I dare you! 😉

Now I’m thinking about it again, I recall the year before last being in hospital and a woman watching Hollyoaks on full volume opposite me all night and ignoring her newborn twins. That was irritating. Her phone was more of a disturbance on the ward than any babies. This was in my nearest big city (a reasonable drive) so perhaps I am a little sheltered also.

Yes I did read that part of the post, but you also said "if I'm honest I do feel very indifferent to the people around me because most of them are just strangers" and also that when you were a teenager you couldn't see why you should show any consideration to your neighbours because you didn't know them. It shouldn't matter if people are strangers they still deserve a bit of respect. Being a teenager is not an excuse to be rude, and being indifferent to people because they are strangers is not the sort of society I wish to be a part of.

Agree this. I remember the older generation having such interesting conversation and being so knowledgable about so much. My own dad left school at 14 but loved nothing better than reading an encyclopaedia.

Gordon has just informed whoever he is speaking to in ringing tones that they are a bunch of fucking pricks...

I think shame is an important human feeling that we now look to shy away from too much. You can be ashamed of what you have done or how you have behaved but not let it define you as a person. You can use it to inform how you choose to act in the future and ultimately this will make you a better person.

I am absolutely fed up of people trying to shut down debate or honest discussion by accessing others of 'shaming' people as if this is some terrible thing. Actually sometimes you should feel shame and be motivated to change. If you successfully do this then you will feel a sense of pride which is the opposite of shame. The alternative is to hide from the shame, never really confront what you're doing and stay in a rut of bad decision making and treating other people badly.

Maybe it depends where you are. I'm currently on the Elizabeth line sitting opposite a young woman who is watching Hells Kitchen at top volume on her phone. It's this complete lack of awareness or perhaps lack of caring that the whole carriage doesn't want to hear Gordon Ramsay bellowing across the train.

This isn't unusual on the tube I find.

Edited to add: The woman on the other side of me is now taking a video call and bellowing into her phone.

The concept of shame is not necessarily a bad thing.

In the way that the OP has used the term here, I agree with her. If paedophiles felt a strong sense of shame, they would not practice outside of their own homes for example.

I agree with OP, if more people felt 'shame' or something akin to it, life would be better for all because a lot of people behave 'shamelessly' and make others lives difficult.

No it does not. Having standards is one thing or being aware of your impact on others, feeling shame means you think you are a bad person. A bad person for your child not having polished shoes, that is ridiculous.

They literally said they were a teenager at the time. It’s in the first few sentences.

I think people feel shame. I think it is shame itself that drives at least some poor behaviour.

All I can do is try to behave politely despite the indifference, which I do very well as an adult. I don't push past elderly people to get a seat, I say thank you in shops, I'm a fairly quiet person in any case.

I do wonder if social contract breakdown and isolation plays into this. Growing up my parents were quite insular and I never really saw them interact with other people much. I think I'd have benefited from seeing this sort of behaviour modelled as I genuinely didn't see any need to consider how my behaviour impacted strangers at that age.