To think that social standards have slipped because people don’t feel shame anymore?

They're the first examples that came to mind, theres plenty more which arent crimes but are things that most people would think are not appropriate. Another example, see lots of threads about this, an older person (usually a male) seeking out a younger person for a relationship, lots of judgement there, that judgement and shaming of that person is ok, beccause that is the subject of the day

True.

Society couldn't function without some form of control.

There's also this assumption that wanting to control people is bad. Sure if I'm trying to control what colour onesie my neighbour dresses her baby in. But I'm not unreasonable to want to control people in terms of social norms like picking up dog poo. We need some agreed social standards!

LMFAO!!!!

You said to the OP

"I find it really unsettling that you want people to feel shame. That’s a really nasty thought to have."

And when many people (not just me) pointed out that shame isn't always a bad thing, you doubled down and said people shouldn't feel shame, it's a bad thing and a form of controlling people.

You then said that a dog owner shouldn't feel ashamed of leaving shit on the pavement and not clearing it up.

I genuinely won't ask if you think child abusers or perpetrators of domestic violence should feel shame, because I suspect you'll double down on that too.

What’s really strange about this is you seem really pleased with yourself for berating someone enough to get the exact answer you want, in the exact format you want… so, it appears, YOU can shame them for saying someone whose dog shits on the floor* shouldn’t be ashamed.

Your behaviour on this thread a perfect example of the controlling bullies who use public shaming to get their own way and make themselves feel good (for their perceived superior moral and way of life).

• no idea why the dog shitting on the floor is something you’re chosen to pin on me as “not being ashamed of” - probably the worst thing you could think of? and the one you thought would back me into a corner to agree with you? Made it easier for you to do a big AREN’T YOU AN IMMORAL CUNT post when I didn’t, didn’t it?

you gonna shame me into it???

Which you’ve agreed with.

You still haven’t answered my question.

And you said they weren't against the law.

You didn’t answer my question.

@theunbreakablecleopatrajonesyou're right about the hygiene. A few years ago I watched an old documentary from 1976 about maternity wards. Some of the doctors looked unwashed by today's standards. You wouldn't get away with that level of personal presentation in a professional job now.

I think it all got worse after covid. Once people found out the government were doing what they liked and not following their own rules many thought why should they give a shit either

AND she hangs her drawers out at the end of the garden where evryone can see them and on a sunday and have you SEEN those drawers??? not decent celanese with a double thickness gusset for her oh no! red satin dental floss...I said to our Stan I didn't know where to put my face when I saw them and you know what Stan said? He said "He betted he would" well thats him on the couch for the next week and longer if he doesn't think on AND lucky its the couch and not the coal shed.

both of those can be against the law if done regularly.

Oooh, I agree, OP! Shame is good! I scrub my doorstep every morning and I make sure I'm seen doing it! Unlike that slattern at Number 37, I might add, whose doorstep has never been scrubbed in its life! I don't know how her Norman stands it. Shame of the street, she is. When she moved in and wasn't seen scrubbing on her first morning, I said to my Stan, "There goes the neighbourhood, our Stan!"

See I think that most people are going to be controlled by a social contract but the social contract has to benefit the person. If you feel shunned or left out of a social contract regardless of what you do then there is little point in submitting to it.

Are you one of those people who thinks that unless something is against the law anything goes? If someone has a bonfire on a lovely day and stinks out 10 sets of neighbours from their homes and gardens? Or blasts out deafening music for hours but it’s before 11pm?

Yes I agree. Some people seem to have lost any sense of pride in themselves.🤷‍♀️

The social contract “controls” people, until some decided that it shouldn’t. It’s what kept male people out of female spaces for decades. They would be “shamed” for being somewhere they didn’t belong.

Your use of “control” is an attempt to shut down discussion, in my opinion.

I agree that you can't dictate how others should feel even if it is necessary to dictate how people should or shouldn't act.

No you didn't.

You just kept skirting around it and saying they shouldn't be doing it.

You refused to say you think they shouldn't be ashamed of themselves, for not clearing up their dog's shit.

Now you finally have 🤷‍♂️

I repeated that at least 4 times, maybe you should try reading posts.

should people who don’t understand posts be ashamed of their lack of comprehension skills, eh? 🙄

So finally you've been honest.

You don't think anyone should feel shame for letting their dog shit on the pavement outside your house, and not pick up after them.

You're entitled to think that obviously, but thinking a dog owner shouldn't be ashamed of their disgusting (and dangerous) behaviour is utterly bizarre.

Anyway, thanks for finally clarifying.

Of course and you don't need to ask.
Examples that come to mind. Scruffy gardens and front steps etc.
Cars that are so dirty you can't read the registration plate which is illegal.

Cars parking where they shouldn't and getting parking tickets, the next day you seem them in the space again and they don't care.
People talking on the bus on the phone.
You would have been to embarrassed, that's why they had public phone boxes, you didn't want anyone to hear all your chatter.

@Ddakji what are they doing that is detrimental to society that warrants shaming them but is not breaking the law?