AIBU to suggest it is time to stop the pretence that people can transition?

Well… all the people who don’t want to reproduce or can’t… is that our definition of the primary function of a male/ women? If we believe this, how does this impact all of those who can’t / don’t want to reproduce, incl our friends in LGBTQ+ community as much as hetero’s?

What someone wants to do with their body is to my mind their business as long as it isn’t hurting anyone else. What is interesting is that the debate is all centered on biology and the biology being centred on reproduction. Maybe I’ve misunderstood but that’s what I have taken away from it. What happens to this arguement to women who can’t reproduce - does this make them “less” women? Also some people are born with both male and female genetalia. What does this mean to the arguement based on biology. does this mean there are more than just men and women - a third gender.
As a person born as a woman at birth I do not understand why there is a focus on this at the moment. It seemed to be a fringe issue for decades and then to my mind out of no where there has been this focus on trans women in toilets and prisons. Have to be honest - just seems a bit weird.

I read this from Rebecca Helm, Biology Professor. It’s made me question things. I’d be interested in other biologists point of view because this makes it more complex.
“If you know a bit about biology you will probably say that biological sex is caused by chromosomes, XX and you’re female, XY and you’re male. This is “chromosomal sex” but is it “biological sex”? Well…
Turns out there is only ONE GENE on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex. It’s called the SRY gene. During human embryonic development the SRY protein turns on male-associated genes. Having an SRY gene makes you “genetically male”. But is this “biological sex”?
Sometimes that SRY gene pops off the Y chromosome and over to an X chromosome. Surprise! So now you’ve got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY. What does this mean?
A Y with no SRY means physically you’re female, chromosomally you’re male (XY) and genetically you’re female (no SRY). An X with an SRY means you’re physically male, chromsomally female (XX) and genetically male (SRY). But biological sex is simple! There must be another answer…
Sex-related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specifics areas on the body, and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body. Is this the root of “biological sex”??
“Hormonal male” means you produce ‘normal’ levels of male-associated hormones. Except some percentage of females will have higher levels of ‘male’ hormones than some percentage of males. Ditto ditto ‘female’ hormones. And…
…if you’re developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex. Leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary. Well, except cells have something to say about this…
Maybe cells are the answer to “biological sex”?? Right?? Cells have receptors that “hear” the signal from sex hormones. But sometimes those receptors don’t work. Like a mobile phone that’s on “do not disturb’. Call and cell, they will not answer.
What does this all mean?
It means you may be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally male/female/non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male/female/non-binary call, and all this leading to a body that can be male/non-binary/female.
Biological sex is complicated. Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of “biological sex” & identity, ask yourself: have you seen YOUR chromosomes? Do you know the genes of the people you love? The hormones of the people you work with? The state of their cells?
Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people’s right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don’t have all the answers. Again: biology is complicated. Kindness and respect don’t have to be. “

I think we need to be very cautious handing out drugs or offering surgery without years of mental health assessment to ensure that they know it’s right for them but if men want to wear dresses and women cut hair in a male style and wear men’s cut clothes so what, they are not the opposite sex and should use gender neutral facilities (which seems to be the obsession here) but it’s their choice to socially transition. Why does it matter to you? The person in the pub I know looks frankly ridiculous in women’s clothing but they have chosen to wear it and i respect choice, they use the disabled loo!

I think people should stop trying to police stranger's bodily autonomy and speaking about them them like they're specimens to be dissected, as if you're not someone who is part of that demographic of people, you will never understand it or be able to speak about what should or shouldn't be done.

People should be able to dress/present them selves however they want. However being dressed as a woman should not bring you access to women’s toilets/hospital wards / refuges etc.

Are there some people due to hormonal imbalance or health complications who are possibly the wrong gender. Yes I think so but I imagine it is a small minority.

With regard to people who have had full surgery and take hormones I’m on the fence. I’m not sure what the right answer is. I do think trans women should not compete in women’s sport.

i think sometimes we make issue where there isn’t one, a young girl says they want to be a boy let their imagination run. Don’t start a path /influence them.

I think people should stop trying to police stranger's bodily autonomy and speaking about them them like they're specimens to be dissected, as if you're not someone who is part of that demographic of people, you will never understand it or be able to speak about what should or shouldn't be done.

Distinction is the word “think”. If they have the full surgery then I think it’s fine.

All that stuff is still vanishingly rare, though, and they are anomalies in an otherwise binary system. I think many people like to complicate issues with their own agendas, and forget that as a biological species, our prime directive is to reproduce and that means 2 gametes, eggs and sperm. It’s pretty simple really. Therefore the vast majority of humans are male or female, with occasional mutations and abnormalities (and no, that doesn’t mean anyone with these anomalies is worth less as a person, it’s simply fact). There is no third sex (intersex) as everyone with a DSD is primarily one or the other. Coming from a biological scientist.

Sadly, that young person spent hours online away from people. Online is fantasy where you can pretend to be anything you want. A very vulnerable young person who wasn't killed due to trans. The murderers selected other young people as potential victims who weren't trans identifying.

say you’re trans and suddenly you are surrounded by friends and supporters who cheer you on

Not really what happened to Brianna Ghey, is it?

Well… all the people who don’t want to reproduce or can’t… is that our definition of the primary function of a male/ women? If we believe this, how does this impact all of those who can’t / don’t want to reproduce, incl our friends in LGBTQ+ community as much as hetero’s?

Well said @happydappy2people can present however they want but I’m horrified at the way this cult sucks in autistic vulnerable girls. There’s almost no support for kids with autism and most struggle socially but say you’re trans and suddenly you are surrounded by friends and supporters who cheer you on. These kids suddenly have friends and the promise that all of their problems will disappear in a puff of smoke. It’s truly evil the way they are lured in.

Sure, Rosie, it's completely harmless.

Lexi Rose Crawford was jailed for nine years for raping a young girl. Throughout the trial the court referred to him as "she" and discussed how she used her penis to commit the rape.

Jordan Gray famously stripped naked on Channel Four to play the piano with her penis.

Chloe Thompson was convicted of committing a public nuisance by indecent exposure, exposing her penis to members of the public while performing a sex act upon herself.

Jane Knightingale exposed her penis and testicles when she opened her front door to two police officers.

The courts found Isla Bryson, of pink leggings notoriety, guilty of two rapes, hearing that she entered the victims with her penis.

Samantha Norris has been jailed for two years for possessing 16,000 indecent pictures of children. She'd just been cleared of exposing her penis to two schoolgirls.

It goes on ... There are literally hundreds of incidents involving a "she" and "her penis", and that's just in the UK. Are you really, really happy to divorce pronouns from sex?

Why?

I listened to an interview with a detranstioner once who went along with everything because he was terrified he’d lose access to his psychiatrist. He was just a gay kid from an extremely homophobic background who needed someone to talk to. Broke my heart. He should never have been out in that position, it should have been “well it’s fine if you don’t want to transition, lets figure out your other problems instead”.

Have you entered a secondary school lately - although to be fair Furries are gaining ground.

My son’s school has lessons which state “ you can be anything you want to be” including -when my son jokingly asked-a train. Absolute bollocks of time wasting - when the curriculum is under so much time pressure -luckily my son recognises this as twaddle , but some kids are vulnerable to this stuff.

Oh I see. I had visions of the teachers asking it at first registration.