AIBU to suggest it is time to stop the pretence that people can transition?

the enforced gender stereotypes of dresses, nurturing, pink, softness, frivolity, make up, crying, bloody “kindness”

They never seem so keen to get hooked up to those machines that simulate cramps & contractions to get a (smidgeon) of the feeling of menstruation or labour. They never seem to want to volunteer to be woken up by a crying every two hours for weeks. They never seem to want to do loads of unpaid labour. Nor be paid less for the same work. Nor be managed out after having to go off work for childcare. Etc etc etc.

They never seem to want to wear the standard female causal uniform of jeans/leggings, trainers, puffer coat and no or little makeup. I wonder why.

Funny that.

Well of course there are physical differences - just the same if one had brown hair and another was bald, or one short and the other tall - but they are both, first and foremost, and always, Men.

What about people who do and have lived as the opposite sex for many years with the vast majority of other people not noticing?

No-one didn't notice.

I believe it was one of the banned words along with castration.

I agree, the question I asked was is there a difference between a trans woman who still has all male body parts and one who has had their genitals removed

This makes a man a eunuch, not a woman.

I don’t understand how this word has gone out of fashion when it is absolutely correct - a man with this surgery, no matter what he might try to request as a facsimile in its place, can only ever aspire to be a eunuch. This is absolutely nothing to do with womanhood, but is entirely such male person’s mental illness.

One of the pretences that annoys me most is that transwomen pass. Tv show after tv show, a trans identifying male actor is completely unmentioned by other characters in circumstances where they surely should. ‘Police interview trans woman and walk away with no mention of previous name being potentially relevant or any other sign that they realise they aren’t speaking to a woman’. Oh, and particularly egregious in Wheel of Time, where the trans ‘sister’ wielding the one power should have gone mad from wielding the power, as was inevitable for men!

Unfortunately, the idea that children are sexual beings has permeated the highest levels on earth, e.g. the UN, which promotes not sex education but sexuality education with pleasure often cited as the only reason you need for doing something which might be dangerous, psychologically damaging or physically harmful.
To suggest to children that if something is pleasurable it is ok is to open the doors to those who would harm and exploit children.

As long as it harms no-one it's fine. But transitioning particularly MtF does harm other people: wives, children, brothers and sisters, friends, all of whom are compelled to pretend someone's fantasy/kink is real or be excluded and abused.
Your comment that the issue is centred round biology and the question where this leaves a woman past childbearing etc - is she still a woman? - is a red herring. Sex is determined by chromosomes and sex is determined at conception, at once. A woman belongs to that sex which will/does/can/did produce large gametes. A man belongs to that sex which will/does/can/did produce small gametes. A woman does not cease to be a woman when she ceases to bear children, a man does not cease to be a man because he has had a vasectomy.

Hope this is helpful.

Totally agree. Transgenderism has all the marks of a cult. It isn't possible to transition to the other sex and gender is a social construct based on regressive stereotypes.

Yes. I think that maybe some people either don’t recognise the emotional repercussions or employment or social repercussions because they have decided only someone disrespectful would not do it so they deserve it. Or maybe to acknowledge the repercussions would force them to acknowledge the totalitarianism and authoritarianism. Or any number of reasons.

That is also why some people focus on the individual (often citing those they love) rather than doing an analysis at collective level.

Either way, once you see the impact as per the NHS Fife case, I doubt you can go back.

Seeing SC judges state TW AM is just more reinforcement that it is all a philosophical belief. If there was any biological markers, the Scot Gov would have used that as a defence. There is enough consultants that Scot Gov consulted for the Act that has been stopped, just like Hilary Cass found none, so I think we can assume the time for proving biological markers has passed.

We disagree. But that’s fine.
The hypocrisy is incredible

Pronouns aren’t a preference, though, just as calling a chair a chair rather than a table isn’t a preference.

There is no such thing as preferred pronouns, they are absolutely demanded and coerced speech.

Genuinely, there were no instructions in that post at all. And it was not aimed at any poster.

If there is any pushback on not using pronouns, then it can be said that those pronouns are demanded. Because they are a coerced change in language usage. Just because they might be requested nicely by some, the fear of negative repercussions makes them coerced.

My approach? You mean, my pointing out how coercion works and my asking why people ignore the meaning of these demanded changes because of the emotional manipulation now attached to those changes? I think I was clear that any person can make the decision to use demanded pronouns or not. It is each person's choice. I merely highlighted aspects of pronoun usage as I see them.

Seems you are taking something personally when my post was a general one.

Or are you talking about my approach being one where I haven't used emotionally comfortable language and therefore I am to be labelled aggressive and insistent?

And a hypocrite too? Is that aimed at me as well?

All this from a post where I discussed a general topic that had been mentioned in the first pages of the thread, yet you have taken it to be somehow targeted at you.

Point out where I have tried to shame anyone.
All I have done is point out the hypocrisy of your manner

It was you who was taking the aggressive, insistant approach. Even now using the phrase "demanded pronouns", although you're being demanding
I have made it clear that I would try to respect anyone's pronoun preferences, but would not accept being derided if I forgot
Your approach is less pragmatic

Sure you can disagree.

But you are disagreeing to comply with someone’s philosophical belief which is fine. And others have every right to reject.

what you and others don’t have the right to do is to shame anyone who chooses differently. So crack on using someone’s demanded pronouns knowing it is collectively being used fo harm others and that it is only your personal choice.

With the entire post
Which ironically was much more instructive about how I should respond to pronoun requests, what's right or wrong, etc than most people who change their pronouns. Disagreeing is allowed

But yes of course you can have traits on a continuum. Because being kind or being violent isn’t male isn’t actually what determines if you are female or male.

Literally only biology defines that. Yes women are likely to be kinder because our biology says we aren’t pumped full of testosterone but hormones are the result of personal biology not a definition in themselves ( so men can’t lower testosterone and become women).

A male solider that steps on a land mine and loses all his tackle is still a man.

When reading your post I assumed you meant feminine and masculine, not female and male. I didn't query it at the time, but is that right?

It's very weird that everyone's gone back to the 1950s and before, when it was widely accepted that 'gendered' qualities belonged entirely and exclusively to the respective sexes. It obfuscates & confuses the topic.

You think a man chopping his dick off makes him not only no longer a man - but a woman?
Why?

Can you give us an example of this happening?

This is funny, because whenever a women tries to speak in support of trans people on MN, they’re invariably abused.

I'm saying exactly the opposite of that. That we should not tell people exactly "what a man is" or "what a woman is". That all of these are human traits and are on a continuum.