AIBU to suggest it is time to stop the pretence that people can transition?

What about people who do and have lived as the opposite sex for many years with the vast majority of other people not noticing?

I’m not comfortable with self ID and thinks like trans women in women’s sports, but I don’t feel threatened by someone who has had surgery.

A distinction needs to be made between people who have genuinely transitioning as much as possible with hormones and surgery, and people who identify as trans but not enough to do anything medical about it.

As hard as I try, I struggle to see the issue here. The tiny number of people I’ve met with strong feeling either way have been cranks or just plain nasty.

People have been saying that for years.

Matt Walsh in particular has referred specifically to "the cult of gender ideology" for the best part of a decade.

Argg misclicked. No you are Not unreasonable.

Well said @happydappy2people can present however they want but I’m horrified at the way this cult sucks in autistic vulnerable girls. There’s almost no support for kids with autism and most struggle socially but say you’re trans and suddenly you are surrounded by friends and supporters who cheer you on. These kids suddenly have friends and the promise that all of their problems will disappear in a puff of smoke. It’s truly evil the way they are lured in.

It’s totally fine in my mind for anyone to wear to a dress - after all we women wear trousers etc.!

What someone wants to do with their body is to my mind their business as long as it isn’t hurting anyone else. What is interesting is that the debate is all centered on biology and the biology being centred on reproduction. Maybe I’ve misunderstood but that’s what I have taken away from it. What happens to this arguement to women who can’t reproduce - does this make them “less” women? Also some people are born with both male and female genetalia. What does this mean to the arguement based on biology. does this mean there are more than just men and women - a third gender.
As a person born as a woman at birth I do not understand why there is a focus on this at the moment. It seemed to be a fringe issue for decades and then to my mind out of no where there has been this focus on trans women in toilets and prisons. Have to be honest - just seems a bit weird.

No, it absolutely is not fine. No amount of surgery can turn a a man into a woman or vice versa.

The percentage of people who fully surgically transition is tiny and it should not be encouraged by allowing those people access to the opposite sex single sex spaces. It is harmful and rarely successful surgery which can cause lifelong issues. For those very reasons all people who transition should be refused access to the single sex spaces of the opposite sex.

My honest response is that I find the whole transitioning thing utterly bizarre - I don't know how anyone believes for one second that a boy can 'become' a girl - in fact, I have no idea whatsover what that even means. I have female friends that I admire who are vocally supportive of trans people (particuarly trans women) and it makes me feel like they're speaking a totally different language or living on a different planet or something - I can't get my head around they idea that they can look at a six foot person with broad shoulders and a deep voice in a dress and say 'that's a woman.' What's interesting is that when my DS was little he wore dresses and one of those friends automatically assumed he was trans and wanted to be a girl - the idea that a boy could wear dresses just did not compute with her. It seems mad to me that, given recent views, my belief that a boy can wear dresses is in many ways more controversial than the idea that a boy can become a girl. WTF?

My rudimentary understanding is that gender dysmorphia is a serious mental health condition. I have much less concern sharing toilets with people who have a diagnosis and have had full surgery. But refuges etc should stay single sex. Perhaps with a "third" sex for those tiny amount who have actually actually have transitioned.

Distinction is the word “think”. If they have the full surgery then I think it’s fine.

Totally agree.