Are men going to now wholeheartedly welcome trans women into their spaces? Utterly brilliant if so ...

As a man, I definitely think we could be more welcoming by decorating the walls of the gents with posters that appeal to TW's femininity. Something like anime erotica and c++ coding tips.

I imagine the thing they’re most worried about is being laughed at.

You keep doubling down that they are safer. Where is that data coming from that supports that? Or is that purely based on your opinion ?

Are you trying to say that female single sex toilets are dangerous for the reasons you keep mentioning such as drug deals and harassment? Or you are exaggerating the dangers of female single sex toilets with issues you see in male single sex toilets?

Because if these are issues in female single sex toilets, then we really need to understand this and deal with it pronto!

However, the communal areas in female toilets are also part of female people’s usage of female toilets.

For instance :

If all toilets had became unisex, then because there is no family toilet, I would have had a pram/pushchair wedged open for all who passed by to see me go to the toilet. So, with your design, all of a sudden we now need enough extra large cubicles too not just the usual. And would you have expected me to just not go places that didn’t have a suitably sized toilet? There are plenty of mothers out there in my area who have to do this, I don’t know of any family toilets and we shouldn’t all be using the disabled toilet with the baby changing equipment.

Female people of any age would be holding up queues in busy toilets while they dealt with stains from spills of food and drinks from children and themselves, breastmilk leaks, blood staining. I sometimes hold events and there is regularly women drying off their clothes. It takes time so all of a sudden, the queue time is lengthened.

The gap is important as I mentioned, but you dismissed with a suggestion of adding buttons and pull cords etc. How does this help with seizures that someone hasn’t got time for reaching for those things? If they had time to reach for the button, they probably had time to open the door too. Not to mention drunk or drugged women. So likely they don’t have time and no one notices they are there. 3-4 minutes and they could be beyond resuscitation.

And then there is the constant reports of men simply not bothering to shut the door because they are so used to urinals. I have seen it myself where they don’t close the door properly because when they went in there was no one around so they thought they would be finished before anyone else came. And the mess because they are so used to urinals.

Female toilet usage is different from male toilet usage. Removing female single sex spaces because of issues in male single sex spaces is harmful to female people. However, female people have already told the government and pollsters that they don’t want to lose their female single sex spaces.

So, if you have the data that shows that only unisex options are the safest mix of toilets, link it up and will should stop campaigning for our single sex toilets and spread the word that unisex is safest. I have not seen any data showing this and I looked before the consultation, so I am looking forward to it.

If the solution is, as we have been campaigning for, an additional unisex toilet or two where this can happen, and well sign posted , then everyone has options. If the issue is a regionalised one where there is drug deals and unsafe situations (and I don’t doubt these are issues that need addressing), then safety is a general focus as well and councils need to be dealing with this as well and as a priority, to ensure all toilets are safe from that type of behaviour.

But removing female single sex toilets and concerting all toilets into unisex. No.

If there were any evidence of trans women being at risk in men's toilets it would be all over the place. But there isn't.

It is once again about transwomen's feelings trumping everybody else's

Men just aren't that bothered if a transwoman uses the men's.

I'm a fella.. we don't really care. In fact sometimes the female cleaning staff will come into our toilets when we're going for a pee.

In Thailand the ladyboys there look stunning and can really fool you into thinking they're female..

over here they just look like blokes in makeup and dresses..

Kinda cringe tbh 😂

Because I don’t want toilets to be divided into low risk and high risk. I just want to go to the loo in a place where there are only other women, like I did 25 years ago and somehow all the men who wanted to be seen as women for whatever reason managed to cope.

My point is that unisex toilets are demonstrably safe, yet people keep pointing to safety being the reason they don't want them. That's the equivalent I'm talking about.

Communal areas around cubicles are known to be unsafe (whether single sex or unisex), so why do people want that? Sorry, it a simple question, I want to understand why?

. . . trans women have the added bonus of being naturally physically stronger and therefore more able to defend themselves if there is an idiot man around.

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If all toilets are replaced by individual fully enclosed cubicles containing a hand basin the queues are going to be horrendous.

There will be fewer toilets due to space required and each person will take longer to use them.

Most men and boys I know don't feel safe in men's loos anyway, so I think a general campaign and designs to make men's loos safer (and nicer) is a good idea. It probably needs a bloke movement, like with men's sheds and men's mental health campaigns.

Quite.
Competing needs, but I am not sure it always needs to be disabled people that accommodate them.

I can understand the baby change as there is the same need for space.

But I draw the line at lumping the "solution" for trans people on disabled people too. Our rights matter as well.

I’m with you, no thanks to losing single sex toilets.

This. I have a trans friend (transitioning male to female) and they feel threatened in male public toilets. But females feel threatened by trans women being in the female toilets.

There are solutions that can make everyone feel safe but they will cost money. Many places already have individual toilets that anyone can use safety. Swimming pools often have individual changing cubicles.

As a parent of a trans adult/child (female to male) I worry, being a trans man doesn’t really put other woman at risk but would a trans man be at risk by using the male toilets?

Everyone has the right to feel safe.

This is just a false equivalence and it is whataboutery. It is like people who then point out 'but what about the businesses with only one toilet'.

As I said, you want only unisex toilets, go for it.

But the majority of women have already told the government and pollsters that they don't want it. You will be dismissing their needs and what they want.

I agree!

And I can well understand also the frustration those needing the disabled toilets feel when they have to share with parents changing children.

I actually think this would work well, there are often far longer queues for the women's toilets than for the men's at the theatre etc

tbf most blokes wouldn't give a fuck who was in a toilet with them, male, female, ambiguous whatever. and why would they? They're blokes. This is a false equivalence

And yet most of the time disabled women have to make do with unisex toilets ...

I mean, you are not wrong, I wish they weren't unisex.

Why do men feel obliged to stand up to piss? If there is no urinal and all they have available is a lavatory with a seat, they can perfectly well sit down to use it rather than spraying urine all over the surrounding area.

This sounds like a great idea imo. All those male trans allies can put their kind inclusive words into action 😁

Well then trans people can create their own spaces. You know like women had to. And perhaps understand the irony of being fearful of men

They’re only 14, but the smiles tell you all you need to know.

I'm sure you've all used the disabled loos at one time or another, did you feel unsafe doing so? Why? Disabled people have been using unisex loos for decades without issue, what's the difference?