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In-laws always seat me away from my child at dining table

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charcharsydney · 21/04/2025 17:55

I have a two-year-old son. When we visit my In-laws (who are French and live in France), every lunch and dinner (which are full hour long meals) I am seated away from him. Like, other side of the table and down from him (not opposite). My husband will be placed next to him, as well as one of the In-laws, usually my FIL or a SIL.

It's not a "sit where ever you want" situation. There are napkin holders with our names on them, and the in-laws will specifically pick where people sit so there is definitely some kind of thought process behind the seating arrangements. NFI what that is though.

It's always slightly annoyed me and when I raised it with my husband he brushed it off and told me I can just move places if I want. I have never done so as, with the language and cultural barriers, it seemed easier to let it slide.

However, my son turned two yesterday and there was a family lunch. There were 11 of us and AGAIN I was sat opposite side, towards the other end of the table. I didn't realise how upset it made me until the cake came out and everyone was taking photos and videos and singing to him and and I wasn't there next to him. I got very teary and brushed it off as being emotional for his birthday, but I'm so upset about this and don't know if I'm just being super sensitive.

I don't have any issues with my in laws but it just feels like a micro aggression.

So, AIBU??

OP posts:
W0tnow · 23/04/2025 09:20

I guess you can excuse other occasions. But your own son’s birthday meal? You’re not unreasonable at all. I think it’s odd. Are people choosing to ignore this bit?

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 23/04/2025 09:14

charcharsydney · 23/04/2025 00:43

What a boomer reply 🙄

Yeah it was rude; but this is ageist. Why insult an entire generation because one person was rude to you?

laraitopbanana · 23/04/2025 06:44

Calliopespa · 22/04/2025 22:54

I’m not saying I don’t understand why op wants to sit with her Dc, but if it’s a reasonably formal meal - and clearly it is if they have place names - it isn’t actually usual for spouses to sit together.

If it was formal then young kids wouldn’t be there at all at the table and the parents go in and out or one of them is staying with.

yes, spouses don’t sit next to each other but opposite but not « one end and the other end ». In any case, in a formal meal, the attention is on the needs of the guests which in-laws are failing here.

so…I am inclined to think it is just how the in-laws are wanting it and if so…then she is perfectly allowed to just exchange with her hubby as she see fits. Her hubby then will have to either challenge the situation or do what was planned for his wife and see if he likes it. If he doesn’t want then it is worse…he is perfectly aware of what happens and let it because he can say it is his parents not him 😒

Angelil · 23/04/2025 06:42

BTW the whole Catholicism discussion is irrelevant. Most Frenchies are areligious/lapsed now, despite whatever their family traditions /backgrounds might be.

Angelil · 23/04/2025 06:39

RareGoalsVerge · 21/04/2025 19:57

How come you don't speak enough French yet to be able to communicate the basics? It's presumably been at least 2y9m since you knew you were going to be the mum of someone half french. Have you signed up for lessons? Asked DP to help you practice?

Je m'assoirai à côté de mon enfant. Je veux être sur les photos avec lui en ce jour spécial.

Yes, this.
When learning a foreign language you need to practice key words/phrases in your head in advance of the interaction. AI can give you whole phrases on your phone now if you can’t construct it yourself.

Angelil · 23/04/2025 06:36

beetr00 · 21/04/2025 19:37

don't her in-laws speak English then? 😉😆

Not sure this is a helpful remark.
My French FIL genuinely speaks no English whatsoever.
My French MIL and SIL do but have not spoken a word of English to me in the 20 years that I have known them. My MIL once spoke some English to my sister (having tried French first and failed to convey her message), which I overheard from an adjoining room, and I nearly fell off my chair in shock.

PetrovaRabbit · 23/04/2025 06:32

OP is there more flex in the seating plan as the meal goes on? So between courses do people get up and help remove plates/ go outside for a cigarette and a chat/ offer to get more drinks etc. You might find no one bats an eyelid if you and your husband swap seats before dessert for example. Or if you put your son on your knee after a bathroom break. I think you can be more assertive about photos too. Once the in-laws have taken the photos they want, give your phone to someone and ask/tell (il faut juste demander!) them to take one of you and your son or you and your husband and your son.

PetrovaRabbit · 23/04/2025 06:15

Trendyname · 21/04/2025 19:21

Apron strings? Op's child is only 2.
Why would french assume they know better about teaching manners to a 2 year old than his own mother?
Do French think they still colonise the world?

It’s not that. It’s more like a French obsession with babies and young children needing to learn independence from their mothers so that their mothers can carry on other aspects of their lives. It can feel bizarre and frankly, cruel when you’re not used to it. Like, discussing how independent your 6month old baby is feels farcical. Many French people don’t understand breastfeeding beyond the first month or two, they think nursery is important for socialization very early on (like for babies and toddlers, not just preschoolers). Once you get your head around the concept it has it’s positives - you learn to ignore the opinions you don’t agree with and also take advantage of the good parts - like feeling no guilt or judgement when you want to leave your baby or toddler with someone else to go out and do something just for you, or the highly subsidized childcare options when you need to work.

Sofiewoo · 23/04/2025 06:13

I honestly don’t get it. He’s sat next to your husband.
Don’t you want to just eat your meal sometimes? Your husband is allowed to parent too. At a table of 11 you’re not really that far.

GRex · 23/04/2025 06:09

LalaPaloosa2024 · 23/04/2025 05:19

I would be managing all special occasions for my son going forward if I were you, given they have tried to exclude you from
his birthday party. No. More birthday parties managed by the in-laws. Have them at your home.

Sitting on the other side of the table is not a way to "exclude" someone.

SlagPit · 23/04/2025 05:49

LalaPaloosa2024 · 23/04/2025 05:19

I would be managing all special occasions for my son going forward if I were you, given they have tried to exclude you from
his birthday party. No. More birthday parties managed by the in-laws. Have them at your home.

They didn't try and exclude her! She was there at the same table.

pilates · 23/04/2025 05:33

@SlagPit the op clearly states:-

“When we visit my In-laws (who are French and live in France), every lunch and dinner (which are full hour long meals) I am seated away from him.”

It’s not a one off!

LalaPaloosa2024 · 23/04/2025 05:19

I would be managing all special occasions for my son going forward if I were you, given they have tried to exclude you from
his birthday party. No. More birthday parties managed by the in-laws. Have them at your home.

SlagPit · 23/04/2025 05:01

You cried because you sat slightly away from your child (but at the same table) for one meal? That's very odd.

ByDearBear · 23/04/2025 04:55

Perhaps your in laws think that they are giving you a break, and a chance to enjoy your meal, while your DH is sat with your son to manage him?

Maxorias · 23/04/2025 02:49

charcharsydney · 22/04/2025 22:35

Yes husband only speaks French to him and I speak simple French and English to him. He doesn't say much yet but his vocab seems to be 50/50 which is encouraging.

I do private lessons online although not at the cadence I should. It's had to make time for "leisure" activities. I do duolingo and watch French movies with french subs. I need to get into podcasts too.

Hello OP,

I won't comment on your issue as lots of people have already given you various insights and I don't think I have anything new to say. But as a parent of bilingual children, my advice is to not mix languages. If you speak english to your son, then speak english to him - nothing wrong with that. Mixing the two can be confusing for him as he will struggle to understand which language is which. That's the advice I was given with my kids and it works.
If you live in the UK your husband has to be consistent and only speak french to him. I used to tell my kids I didn't speak spanish (I'm actually fluent but I wanted them to only speak to me in French). When I'm reading to them I translate it so that even if the book is in spanish or english, I'm reading in French.

So long as you are both extremely consistent with the language thing, your son will speak both fluently.

Beyond that I don't think your inlaws mean anything by this - especially as you say you get along well. They probably miss their son and want to build a connexion to their grandson, and probably figure you won't mind getting a break.
Another reason might be that they're seating you next to people who are comfortable speaking english ?
If you want to sit next to your son, say so - I don't think they'll be offended, at most they'll be a bit puzzled.

Ps - my SIL has been with my brother for over five years and still doesn't speak french. My brother isn't fluent in her language either. They speak english together and it's perfectly fine.

charcharsydney · 23/04/2025 00:43

What a boomer reply 🙄

OP posts:
charcharsydney · 23/04/2025 00:34

1SillySossij · 23/04/2025 00:19

Why do you need to be sitting next to him if he's next to his dad?
Smother mother?

Take the night off love

OP posts:
1SillySossij · 23/04/2025 00:19

Why do you need to be sitting next to him if he's next to his dad?
Smother mother?

charcharsydney · 23/04/2025 00:17

OpenDoorMuriel · 21/04/2025 19:04

I’d have been really upset by this too OP. I’m British and my husband’s family is not; they did similar things with me when my DC was small and I found it very upsetting. Also I would be the one who had to deal with the fallout later of a hungry (for example) DC if they hadn’t eaten enough but noone near was paying attention. BUT in their culture sharing childcare together is a gift. I didn’t know this. I felt pushed out and I wasn’t established enough with the wider family to see it as a nice break. My ILs didn’t know my British family only helped in emergencies and saw childcare as a chore - I therefore didn’t understand my ILs approach. I also have a history of being ‘pushed out’ so I felt very sensitive to this.

My DH didn’t really understand why I was upset at first (nor did I, really) but once he got it, he helped facilitate me being included in the family, and not being separated from DC.

In time, I have come to adore my ILs, they taught my so much about family, sharing and generosity. I’ve worked to get to know the family better too, so now it’s not a problem and it is a break. they’re so helpful to me and I’m glad that a small misunderstanding was nipped in the bud.

I've only just seen this comment @OpenDoorMuriel and it has hit very close to home! Thank you for sharing, I feel like I am in an almost identical situation. ❤️

OP posts:
Christwosheds · 23/04/2025 00:14

Laura95167 · 22/04/2025 18:16

Tbh it might be that as they don't see him as much they want to be near him when he visits. And as you've not said anything they think you're happy someone else is entertaining him and you get a hot meal while they feed, fuss and generally entertain him.

But as your husband says if its a problem, swap places. Sounds more like a misunderstanding atm so clear it up

I agree with this. It doesn’t sound like a micro-aggression , it sounds as though they are enjoying your little boy and assume they are being kind letting you have lunch undisturbed. Re the birthday though, I don’t understand why your DH didn’t say that you would want to be next to your son for that, it’s easier for him to sort it out in a relaxed way as they are his parents.

Yolo12345 · 22/04/2025 23:00

Girl, you need to advocate for yourself - as the French would say “il faut râler!”

Calliopespa · 22/04/2025 22:54

laraitopbanana · 22/04/2025 18:43

Yeah…it isn’t a culture thing…it is an in-law thing.

next time, exchange with your husband. Don’t ask him just sit in his place and wait for him to « just change place »…to be closer to you.

honestly, that is nasty…not next to your child and hubby????pouah!

I’m not saying I don’t understand why op wants to sit with her Dc, but if it’s a reasonably formal meal - and clearly it is if they have place names - it isn’t actually usual for spouses to sit together.

charcharsydney · 22/04/2025 22:35

Angelil · 22/04/2025 21:41

OP, is your husband speaking French to your son all.the.time when at home in England? If not, he should be. Your son will not become bilingual otherwise and your French will not improve either. I speak also as a Brit married to a Frenchman; we also do not live in France (we did, for 9 years, but before having our children) but are raising our children (age 6 and 2) bilingually (meaning he never speaks English to them ever) and I speak the language too (but given that we’ve been together 20 years and married for 14 of those I acknowledge that I have a head start on you).

Having known my in-laws for a considerable time, and had many years to become familiar with French culture, I agree with others that you need to call a spade a spade.

to help with that…
Are you actually learning French, weekly, with a teacher? It is the only way without living in France. Duolingo and occasional contact with in-laws won’t cut it.
I say this having learnt French (and subsequently become French myself, via marriage - which you can also do once your language skills are good enough, even from abroad), and, after that, Dutch (we live in the Netherlands now and despite neither of us being Dutch I have made considerable efforts to learn the language over the past 8 years and have now passed official state exams proving it). It can be done but you need formal, regular input from an experienced teacher.

Yes husband only speaks French to him and I speak simple French and English to him. He doesn't say much yet but his vocab seems to be 50/50 which is encouraging.

I do private lessons online although not at the cadence I should. It's had to make time for "leisure" activities. I do duolingo and watch French movies with french subs. I need to get into podcasts too.

OP posts:
Angelil · 22/04/2025 21:41

OP, is your husband speaking French to your son all.the.time when at home in England? If not, he should be. Your son will not become bilingual otherwise and your French will not improve either. I speak also as a Brit married to a Frenchman; we also do not live in France (we did, for 9 years, but before having our children) but are raising our children (age 6 and 2) bilingually (meaning he never speaks English to them ever) and I speak the language too (but given that we’ve been together 20 years and married for 14 of those I acknowledge that I have a head start on you).

Having known my in-laws for a considerable time, and had many years to become familiar with French culture, I agree with others that you need to call a spade a spade.

to help with that…
Are you actually learning French, weekly, with a teacher? It is the only way without living in France. Duolingo and occasional contact with in-laws won’t cut it.
I say this having learnt French (and subsequently become French myself, via marriage - which you can also do once your language skills are good enough, even from abroad), and, after that, Dutch (we live in the Netherlands now and despite neither of us being Dutch I have made considerable efforts to learn the language over the past 8 years and have now passed official state exams proving it). It can be done but you need formal, regular input from an experienced teacher.

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