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To abandon the extension?

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Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 17:11

Just after some opinions really as DH and I can't decide what to do and are after some Mumsnet wisdom.
We bought a 1930s semi 2 years ago with the intention of doing an extension. It's a 5 bed semi (2 rooms in the loft) but it needed loads of work. It currently has a small old kitchen and separate dining room, it feels small downstairs. Our plan was to knock through, get a new kitchen and build a utility on the side. We've been quoted about 50-60k for this. We borrowed the money as part of the initial mortgage, planning to do it quicky and have it in a high interest account.
We have 3 kids aged 8, 5 and 2, and planning one more possibly.

As time goes on I feel like we would be better off keeping this money. I imagine all the lovely holidays it would cover, and possibly helping the kids through expensive phases. We are not struggling for money, we can afford a basic holiday every year, but the extra money would mean nicer holidays, maybe extra trips, the ability to not worry about money and buy things we need. Or we could even pay off some of the 380k mortgage!
We also have an additional 30k in savings if that makes a difference, which is our back up money as DH is self employed, so it will remain untouched.

My DH thinks we should do the extension and prioritise making the house nice to live in, I am having doubts as I'm not sure a side utility will make a huge amount of difference to our lives but I do see how much nicer it would be to have an open plan space for having friends over and spending more time together as a family. I don't think it would add much value we there is a ceiling to houses in our road. We might not make it all back if we sold and ideally we don't want to move for a long time.

Anyone had a similar dilemma? What did you do?

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KatyaKat · 21/04/2025 20:09

You're paying interest on the £60k over the entire lifetime of the loan. That means an additional £20-30k, interest rate dependent. That's a very expensive few holidays, so yes, it is stupid. Mortgages are not for holidays, they're for appreciating assets. I totally agree holidays are important, but you absolutely should not be funding them with a loan secured against your house. That's not my 'rule', that is what any sensible person who knows a even just a tiny amount about money will tell you.

Fair enough I take your point. At the moment it's not costing us anything but as soon as we start spending it, we will be losing out, makes sense.

Maybe the question I should be asking is do we pay for the extension or pay it back and what we save on the mortgage payment put towards holidays (I don't just mean holidays, I guess I just mean general life luxuries), or the third option is overpay the mortgage.

It has been so helpful getting opinions on that. I get the impression most people prioritise their home. One thing I'm finding difficult is that our house has already lost value so sinking more money into it feels risky. We bought at the absolute peak of the market. I'm an expert at losing money it seems!

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Silvertulips · 21/04/2025 20:15

Having seen your floor plan OP, get a downstairs toilet off that utility room! You’re going to need it when the teenage shower time gets ridiculous

Theres a downstairs toilet already.

KatyaKat · 21/04/2025 20:09

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 20:00

It might seem stupid, but some people spend their entire kids childhood scrimping and saving and then have lots of money once their kids leave home, I don't want it that way round.
My suggestion is that rather than spending it on the house, we spend it on fun family memories etc. It's no different to me paying the 60k back and then spending the amount we save each month on holidays.
The interest on both is currently equal, so we are not losing money, although I appreciate that may change and I've had some very useful advice on here about creating a home that works for us which I think is really important.
I am possibly prioritising holidays at the moment as I want to escape my house!

You're paying interest on the £60k over the entire lifetime of the loan. That means an additional £20-30k, interest rate dependent. That's a very expensive few holidays, so yes, it is stupid. Mortgages are not for holidays, they're for appreciating assets. I totally agree holidays are important, but you absolutely should not be funding them with a loan secured against your house. That's not my 'rule', that is what any sensible person who knows a even just a tiny amount about money will tell you.

Yellowpingu · 21/04/2025 20:07

Having seen your floor plan OP, get a downstairs toilet off that utility room! You’re going to need it when the teenage shower time gets ridiculous.

FiveBarGate · 21/04/2025 20:04

We had a similar debate and reconfigured which made a massive diy.

How much do you use your conservatory?

We hid a washing machine (and additional fridge and freezer) in a long run of units which just fit behind the door the room that adjoins the kitchen. All integrated with wooden worktop. TV goes above it so it was really dead space. You could do something similar in conservatory along one wall.

I put our tumble dryer in the shed. It's only a few steps from back door and on the way to or from washing line.

You could turn the dining room into your kitchen or open it all up.

We've found having two areas with sofas and TVs brilliant as kids have got older. Neither are massive and one has the extra bits described above hidden but it's still lovely to sit in. We lowered the window so it's a big picture window.

You could make the existing kitchen into a snug. Lots of options without extending.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 20:00

KatyaKat · 21/04/2025 18:27

Yes, but you don't borrow against your house to have them, that is plain stupid

It might seem stupid, but some people spend their entire kids childhood scrimping and saving and then have lots of money once their kids leave home, I don't want it that way round.
My suggestion is that rather than spending it on the house, we spend it on fun family memories etc. It's no different to me paying the 60k back and then spending the amount we save each month on holidays.
The interest on both is currently equal, so we are not losing money, although I appreciate that may change and I've had some very useful advice on here about creating a home that works for us which I think is really important.
I am possibly prioritising holidays at the moment as I want to escape my house!

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Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 19:53

QuartzIlikeit · 21/04/2025 19:08

We have a similar house to you - we extended into the loft but couldnt afford to do the downstairs extension. Our house was very top heavy and as the DC grew up it became harder and more difficulty living here as everything was too cramped downstairs (original separate lounge, diner and kitchen).

Over covid we finally got the downstairs extension and I dont say this lightly - it has changed our lives. I am so much happier, as are the DC that we finally have enough room to live, use the kitchen, have friends & family round etc.

3 years on its definitely worth the stress & expense of having it done. No nice holidays or nice cars would ever make up for how good the house makes me feel now and how much our family has benefitted from it.

As your DC grow up and get bigger, you will really need more downstairs space - dont delay and get it done asap as it will only cost more the longer you wait.

Was yours quite a large downstairs extension? Or just a knock through?

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MimiSunshine · 21/04/2025 19:46

i would look at the costs of extending slightly out the back and see if it’d be worth it. But I think you could achieve what you need and would Definitely improve your way of living in the house plus the desirability of the house should you sell at some point. Without having to go to all the effort and cost of an extension.

or losing storage space down the side either

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 19:41

@BathshebaB and @MimiSunshine
Thanks so much really helpful. Just to point out, we do have rear access. So even if we lost side access we can get into the garden from a private lane out the back, which I think makes a big difference.
But we do have two large storage units in the place where we would be putting the utility if we had it on the side, which currently contains bikes etc. Would be a shame to lose that storage or have to move it into the garden.

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BathshebaB · 21/04/2025 19:36

MimiSunshine · 21/04/2025 19:30

Rather than extending out to the side and losing side access. How about knocking through the kitchen and dining room and extending out slightly in line with the edge of the conservatory.
then keep your current doorways but create an internal utility / laundry room (even if it’s only the dryer in there to save on sorting out plumbing for a washer).

if you didn’t want to extend out the back or to keep costs lower, keep the existing back wall but put a proper / lightweight roof on the conservatory and have open plan to the knocked through space.

This is exactly what I would do - and if you have a side passage with access from the front see if you can get a door to the outside from the utility so muddy kids can be walked straight into it

MimiSunshine · 21/04/2025 19:30

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 18:33

Floor plan attached!

Rather than extending out to the side and losing side access. How about knocking through the kitchen and dining room and extending out slightly in line with the edge of the conservatory.
then keep your current doorways but create an internal utility / laundry room (even if it’s only the dryer in there to save on sorting out plumbing for a washer).

if you didn’t want to extend out the back or to keep costs lower, keep the existing back wall but put a proper / lightweight roof on the conservatory and have open plan to the knocked through space.

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To abandon the extension?
SoSoLong · 21/04/2025 19:17

Your question is equivalent to "Should I borrow 50k against the mortgage so we can go on some nice holidays?" I hope you realise how silly this sounds. Either build the extension or pay it back (or invest it really well if the mortgage is low interest).

Wonderberry · 21/04/2025 19:09

What about knocking through to make it open plan, and a new kitchen, but not building an extension? This would be a middle ground cost wise.

Don't spend the money on holidays though, you should pay back your mortgage.

QuartzIlikeit · 21/04/2025 19:08

We have a similar house to you - we extended into the loft but couldnt afford to do the downstairs extension. Our house was very top heavy and as the DC grew up it became harder and more difficulty living here as everything was too cramped downstairs (original separate lounge, diner and kitchen).

Over covid we finally got the downstairs extension and I dont say this lightly - it has changed our lives. I am so much happier, as are the DC that we finally have enough room to live, use the kitchen, have friends & family round etc.

3 years on its definitely worth the stress & expense of having it done. No nice holidays or nice cars would ever make up for how good the house makes me feel now and how much our family has benefitted from it.

As your DC grow up and get bigger, you will really need more downstairs space - dont delay and get it done asap as it will only cost more the longer you wait.

vandelier · 21/04/2025 19:06

Knock through. Maybe get a decent shed with electrics, plumbing and ventilation for the utility. Stand alone if needed. I wouldn't spend money on a utility as it would not be liveable space. But I have one already that I squeezed into a downstairs loo by reconfiguring the space (took some off the hallway). No extension. It has a washer and dryer stacked, a sink, some shelves, a tall skinny cupboard for the mops and brushes etc. Oh and a toilet! Not much floor space for sure, but it works fine for me.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 19:00

Question285 · 21/04/2025 18:22

You should definitely not spend this amount of borrowed money on holidays and trivial stuff.

You spend most of your time in this house, it has to work for your family. How do you feel about being in a small kitchen on your own while the rest of the family is in a different room? Do you like cooking together with the kids? Is that possible in the current kitchen? Do you need to be able to keep an eye on the younger children while cooking? Do you have enough space for all 5 (or maybe soon to be 6) of you to have a sit down meal?

How many loads of laundry do you do per week? Do you have space/need a dryer? If you didn’t build the utility but knocked through the kitchen/diner, would the washing machine noise bother you while having a meal for example? Do you have other storage space in the house for your hoover, ironing board, tools, mop and bucket or whatever else usually goes in a utility room?

Imagine how you’d like family life to be in this house. Then make the changes that facilitate that.

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This is really really helpful thank you.

The kitchen at the moment is not ideal at all. We have to do something even if it's not the whole extension/knock through. We have an ancient oven that can only do for example, one pizza at a time (came with the property) and no dishwasher.
We noticed a big difference in our quality of life after leaving our open plan flat, as we used to all chat whilst cooking etc and play music and it all felt really sociable.
We don't have much storage for the things you mentioned.
It would be really useful to get a drier, I've never had one.
At the moment we used the dining room as a dining room/playroom.

I think my big issue is that I'm wary of doing the extension and then wanting to move. There's things I'd like to move for (larger south/west facing garden, driveway, larger downstairs space) but those aren't necessarily deal breakers, but I struggle with the idea of committing to this house for a long time by putting 60k into it, but I do love some aspects of the house.

Thanks for all the advice it's really really helpful, even the people who tell me I'm stupid 😂

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Doobeedoobeedoobee · 21/04/2025 19:00

Personal decision of course but I’d opt for the extension on the basis of two things really:

  • we like spending our money where we get the most use day-to-day and long term (think very boring things like nice mattresses, a good hoover and a comfy sofa), with a lovely space we would enjoy it for hours every day
  • secondly I haven’t always found a correlation between the amount I’ve spent on holidays and the amount I’ve remembered or enjoyed them! By which I mean, more expensive holidays can mean more pressure and less enjoyment!
NeedthatFridayfeeling · 21/04/2025 18:54

I say this as someone who loves holidays and priorities them, do the extension, with 3 kids you’ll start to feel very crowded as they get older if you leave the house as it is.

pearbottomjeans · 21/04/2025 18:44

God no, do it! We did an extension on a similar house which finished this time last year. It was June until April, the year DD was 1. We have 2 older kids too who were 8 & 6. The extension is literally life changing, our kitchen was tiny before and what was the dining room was mainly a playroom. Now we have somewhere to eat together, or the kids eat and I do jobs around them, the noisy machines are in the utility so can be shut away rather than in the tiny kitchen. We have empty cupboards which is such a luxury after cramming supplies for a family of 5 into one food cupboard, an under counter fridge and a fridge freezer out in a leaky garage. Honestly our family culture has changed, we’re happier and closer.

Also that quote seems reasonable so I would just get on with it! You’ll live in your house every day, and the same money would get you what, 10-20 weeks of holiday??

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/04/2025 18:39

You'd be crazy to blow borrowed money on holidays! You could end up in negative equity.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 18:39

Strawberryjammam · 21/04/2025 17:57

What's your household income like? Unclear whether this is a lot of money for you or not.

We earn around 118k between us before tax. Mortgage is 1900 a month.

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Barrenfieldoffucks · 21/04/2025 18:38

You're thinking of that money as yours, like savings. But it isn't, it is borrowed from the bank with interest.

KatyaKat · 21/04/2025 18:38

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 18:33

Floor plan attached!

I would definitely create a larger kitchen dining room, keep separate lounge (as kids get older, have mates over, etc., if the entire downstairs is open plan it can get noisy!)

You might be getting the same rate as the interest on your mortgage on your savings now (no idea how!), but this is very unlikely to always be the case, so you also need to consider the amount of interest you'll be paying over the entire term of the additional borrowing. It will be £000s, and way more than the cost of a few nice holidays! But you'll have nothing to 'show' for it

Barrenfieldoffucks · 21/04/2025 18:37

ToKittyornottoKitty · 21/04/2025 17:30

You’ve borrowed this money to do the house, you’d be absolutely daft to waste the borrowed money on holidays!

Agreed. What a bonkers idea!

Essentially you've got a 3 bed semi with rooms in the loft. I would do the extension.

We effectively doubled our downstairs space a few years ago, and put an extra 2 bedrooms upstairs. It revolutionised how we live in this house.

Purplebunnie · 21/04/2025 18:35

This is a me thing, but I would rather make the place I spend 355 days of the year more comfortable than have nicer holidays. A bigger downstairs will be useful if you are planning on another child

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