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To abandon the extension?

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Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 17:11

Just after some opinions really as DH and I can't decide what to do and are after some Mumsnet wisdom.
We bought a 1930s semi 2 years ago with the intention of doing an extension. It's a 5 bed semi (2 rooms in the loft) but it needed loads of work. It currently has a small old kitchen and separate dining room, it feels small downstairs. Our plan was to knock through, get a new kitchen and build a utility on the side. We've been quoted about 50-60k for this. We borrowed the money as part of the initial mortgage, planning to do it quicky and have it in a high interest account.
We have 3 kids aged 8, 5 and 2, and planning one more possibly.

As time goes on I feel like we would be better off keeping this money. I imagine all the lovely holidays it would cover, and possibly helping the kids through expensive phases. We are not struggling for money, we can afford a basic holiday every year, but the extra money would mean nicer holidays, maybe extra trips, the ability to not worry about money and buy things we need. Or we could even pay off some of the 380k mortgage!
We also have an additional 30k in savings if that makes a difference, which is our back up money as DH is self employed, so it will remain untouched.

My DH thinks we should do the extension and prioritise making the house nice to live in, I am having doubts as I'm not sure a side utility will make a huge amount of difference to our lives but I do see how much nicer it would be to have an open plan space for having friends over and spending more time together as a family. I don't think it would add much value we there is a ceiling to houses in our road. We might not make it all back if we sold and ideally we don't want to move for a long time.

Anyone had a similar dilemma? What did you do?

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MrsPositivity1 · 22/04/2025 09:13

I’d definitely do the extension

WaryHiker · 22/04/2025 09:06

I completely understand your worry about feeling trapped if you've put the money into the extension and then still don't really like the house. In your position, I would be inclined to have a couple of estate agents in to value the house with and without the extension. If they are in agreement that you would easily get your money back from the work you plan to do, then go ahead and do it and enjoy it for as long as you're there. It will make your life easier on a day-to-day basis. But you won't have that feeling you can't move in the future because you have put yourself into negative equity with the extension.

Yellowpingu · 22/04/2025 08:53

@Extendorsave if you want 4 children then don’t underestimate the added value of a downstairs toilet! Worth its weight in gold as they grow up and hog the bathroom. It will also appeal to future buyers.

Extendorsave · 22/04/2025 00:04

Eenameenadeeka · 21/04/2025 23:37

It sounds like you are worried about spending so much on the house because maybe you are worried that you still won't like it after?
I think if you don't want to spend on the house, you pay the money back towards the mortgage and then save the money that the payment is reduced by to spend on holidays. That way, you're only spending your own money on holidays, not money that you actually owe towards your house long term.
For me, I had a few (minor) things I didn't love about our home that made me want to move. I looked online to see what was actually out there, and I realized that it wasn't worth moving for, nothing is perfect and what we have is the best option. So then I decided that instead of disliking our home, I needed to do what I can to make it work the best it could for us, and make it a home for my children rather than just a house.
Looking at your floorplan, I'd definitely want to at least open the kitchen into the dining, but I think more living space would be amazing especially if you go for 4 children. We have 4 and that wouldn't be enough space for us in terms of living areas.

Do you mean more living space in terms of creating a utility?
I am concerned that it won't be big enough for 4 children as they grow, but I do still really want 4.
My DH currently uses one of the bedrooms as an office. It we stay long term and have a 4th, we would build a garden room and use that as an office for him/chill out area for older children at weekends, and then each child could have a bedroom.

You are totally right that I'm worried about putting more money into the wrong house. We rushed into buying when the market was crazy. The following year the market fell and my ideal house was on the market and we could have afforded it. I don't want to put 60k in and still want to move. But we couldn't sell with it as it is. Noone would pay a decent price right now in it's half done state!

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Eenameenadeeka · 21/04/2025 23:37

It sounds like you are worried about spending so much on the house because maybe you are worried that you still won't like it after?
I think if you don't want to spend on the house, you pay the money back towards the mortgage and then save the money that the payment is reduced by to spend on holidays. That way, you're only spending your own money on holidays, not money that you actually owe towards your house long term.
For me, I had a few (minor) things I didn't love about our home that made me want to move. I looked online to see what was actually out there, and I realized that it wasn't worth moving for, nothing is perfect and what we have is the best option. So then I decided that instead of disliking our home, I needed to do what I can to make it work the best it could for us, and make it a home for my children rather than just a house.
Looking at your floorplan, I'd definitely want to at least open the kitchen into the dining, but I think more living space would be amazing especially if you go for 4 children. We have 4 and that wouldn't be enough space for us in terms of living areas.

Strawberryjammam · 21/04/2025 23:18

That's a massive mortgage for that income and still paying nursery fees, especially if you're planning more kids. You need to look at this as a longer term cash flow question and work out when you need the money for what. You'll have some key things you want to achieve so this is about having the cash needed to hit those goals when you need it.

Personally I'd look at putting in a garden room with some of the money then putting it on Airbnb using the separate entrance (if you can). Put that extra income into savings or use to overpay the mortgage dependent on rates. Knock together the rooms in the current house rather than extending to save money and add the balance to the savings pile. In a few years time you'll have a bigger living space needed from the garden room and the mortgage won't be so bad so you can put surplus towards holidays.

Crazybaby123 · 21/04/2025 23:02

Do the house. Or use the money for an investment property. I had a similar amount and blew it on holidays... now regret and wish we'd done the house.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 22:27

I think I've established now that we need to pay off some of the mortgage or do the renovations, so thank you.
Just to give a bit of background. We bought the house planning to do the work but there was so much other work that also needed doing. We had to rewire, replumb, plaster, new floors/carpets etc and we still haven't completed all that. We had a baby and a toddler and it nearly broke me. The dust!!! The tears! never again.
So when it came to the kitchen and actual building work I just said no more and we agreed to leave it temporarily and keep the money in high interest accounts (we were lucky that are mortgage rate was locked in just before the interest rate hikes) but now we are back to discussing it again as we desperately need a new kitchen.

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TheCurious0range · 21/04/2025 22:20

You are paying interest on that money why would you spend it on holidays? Either do the renovations or party it back off the mortgage

MistyMountainTop · 21/04/2025 22:18

I have a drier stacked above the washer to save space, and a shelf above that with the washing powder, dishwasher tablets etc., out of reach of small hands. Seriously OP, the extension would make such a difference to your lives

ohdearagain2 · 21/04/2025 22:05

you'll appreciate a seperate laundry as your kids get older

TheLette · 21/04/2025 22:01

Moving wouldn't guarantee you a brand new kitchen/the perfect space. Better to do it yourself, get the benefit of it being lovely and new, and configuring everything exactly how you'd want it. Plus it's an absolute nightmare to move, and you'd have other expenses to consider like legal fees and moving costs.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:57

FiveBarGate · 21/04/2025 21:45

So something a bit like this along the short wall (depending how easy it is to get water/drainage). Hidden in low cupboards with a nice (not too kitcheny worktop above). I have lots of photos etc on the wooden top and chose doors which are more living than kitchen. https://www.digsdigs.com/how-to-hide-washing-machine/pictures/95984/

If you don't use the conservatory much you might as well put utility space in there but make it look nice so you can still have a chair etc to sit in. I much prefer being able to fold my washing on a sofa! We ditched a cramped utility to open up the space into a proper room because it was so small it was horrible and ruined the space next to it.

You just need 60cm of depth and a run of at least 120cm if you want a washer and a dryer.

The snug doesn't necessarily need to be separate but a corner of the family space with comfy chairs. Somewhere you can be when the kids have friends round and your TV has been taken over by Fortnite or monotone you tubers.

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This is really helpful thank you! Great ideas for hiding the washing machine, I had never considered anything like that before!

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Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:46

TheLette · 21/04/2025 21:25

I'd definitely do the extension. Sounds like you need a new kitchen anyway, which isn't cheap. Otherwise I think you'd regret it in 10 years time (I speak from experience - we redid our kitchen which was hugely expensive as it uncovered a lot of issues that needed fixing, and now really wish we had extended at the same time).

Also I think you'd save money if you have a decent open plan space and that allows you to host kids birthday parties at home.

I wouldn't worry about a ceiling price if you plan to live there long term. You'll likely gain value and even if you don't gain much, the £60k investment will be enjoyed over the next 10-15 years.

Finally if you were to spend the money on holidays that would cause another problem as you'd get used to a fancier standard of holiday and then have to row back when the money ran out. Keep to what you are used to! (Although if you are thinking of having 4 kids it's surely going to be very expensive to go abroad with them all?!)

Going abroad with 4 would be eye watering which is partly why I feel we need the extra money 😂 but I appreciate that would be silly and we need to repay the mortgage and then save if we choose to do it that way.

I go round and round with indecision on this. Does anyone think it's better to just move somewhere that has a better floor plan?? 30k loss in stamp duty, but might find a more suitable layout without all the time and money and mess. I'm always looking on Rightmove but it feels like that extra step up is just a bit too far out of reach, or there are other compromises.

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FiveBarGate · 21/04/2025 21:45

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:14

Thanks for this I'm trying to understand what you mean. The walls of the conservatory are pretty small. We currently don't use the conservatory, it is currently housing random crap that we can't fit anywhere else as we have no garage and a leaking shed.
But we've just built a new storage unit, so we are hoping to now make the conservatory somewhere nice to sit and relax looking out onto the garden.
Its really helpful to hear imaginative ways of making the space work though so thank you.
We definitely want to keep two separate areas so we will keep the living room separate. If the kitchen was a snug where would the dining table go?
I'd love to see a floor plan of yours or a drawing! I'm intrigued!

So something a bit like this along the short wall (depending how easy it is to get water/drainage). Hidden in low cupboards with a nice (not too kitcheny worktop above). I have lots of photos etc on the wooden top and chose doors which are more living than kitchen. https://www.digsdigs.com/how-to-hide-washing-machine/pictures/95984/

If you don't use the conservatory much you might as well put utility space in there but make it look nice so you can still have a chair etc to sit in. I much prefer being able to fold my washing on a sofa! We ditched a cramped utility to open up the space into a proper room because it was so small it was horrible and ruined the space next to it.

You just need 60cm of depth and a run of at least 120cm if you want a washer and a dryer.

The snug doesn't necessarily need to be separate but a corner of the family space with comfy chairs. Somewhere you can be when the kids have friends round and your TV has been taken over by Fortnite or monotone you tubers.

creative-ways-to-hide-a-washing-machine-in-your-home-19 - DigsDigs

Create a practical laundry space in an awkward corner.

https://www.digsdigs.com/how-to-hide-washing-machine/pictures/95984

Parallellives · 21/04/2025 21:45

£60k does seem cheap for all that.

We’ve been quoted £50k to knock through kitchen and dining room, build a downstairs loo and pantry some other works. Add onto that the cost of the kitchen and all the fittings, and it will be £80k without an extension.

We are in a Victorian terrace and would like to do the side return but it’s just unaffordable.

Bubblesgun · 21/04/2025 21:41

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 18:20

Can I ask why this is so bad financially? The interest on the savings is equal to the interest on the loan so it's not like we are losing money by not paying it back?
And I've said I'm not sure the extension will add an equal amount of value to the house.
Genuinely wondering as I don't think I'm being that ridiculous with my ideas, but happy to be corrected!

I'm starting to agree with people that maybe it's not sensible to blow it all on trips/luxuries, but equally I'd love my kids to have lots of opportunities and I wonder whether that holds a higher value than extra living space.
I suppose we could pay it back which would lower the mortgage each month but that way it would probably just get spent anyway.
I find it very hard to commit to an extension, I don't know why, just feels so much money in one go.

It doesnt matter whether the interests rate are the same of the mortgage: it is money you do not own. If you are not going to use for an extension, you must pay it back.

whether or not you are making the money back is a moot point because 1) it would sell quicker and potentially people will bid against each other and 2) you said you dont want to move in a long time so if you move in say 15/20 yrs time when your kids are at university, then you would have made your money back. Investing in long term and investing in your everyday life is the best yoy can do. The returns are just not financials but also practicals.

spending money you do not have on holidays os a recipe for failure and really not financially savvy

Cadenza12 · 21/04/2025 21:38

Of course you should build the extension. Even a small one makes all the difference when space is at a premium.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:35

Copernicus321 · 21/04/2025 21:22

We're in a similar position, trying to decide whether or not to proceed with building work. We've lived in our home for 30 years and have grown very comfortable in it. While the location and views are truly exceptional, we're aware that the way we live doesn’t align with what buyers typically expect in this area and price range.

The house has five bedrooms but no en-suites, a small 10' x 7' kitchen, no utility room, and the white goods are housed in the garage. Although there's plenty of land, there's no paved outdoor seating area and the garden is in need of landscaping. We have planning permission for a large single-storey extension and some external improvements which would finally give the downstairs space the wow factor it’s currently missing.

The dilemma is this: when we factor in both the overdue maintenance and the cost of the planned extension and landscaping (250K-300K), the total investment may well not match the value it would add to the property. Even then, we’d still face the issue of selling a large house with no en-suite bathrooms, something that seems to be a must-have for most buyers these days. Converting one of the bedrooms to create a couple of en-suites is an option but that would mean additional costs for remodeling the upstairs. We sometimes wonder whether it would be simpler just to do the backdated maintenance, live in for another 20 years and when the time comes to sell, market the house as a project for someone else to enjoy.

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This is interesting. I personally wouldn't ever look for en-suite bathrooms, it's very much a 'nice to have' rather than a 'need to have'. I definitely wouldn't want to lose bedroom space for en-suites. I honestly think by losing a bedroom for en-suites you would lose value, 5 bedrooms is a huge plus (it is what sold our house to us), because it attracts families that are slightly larger or people who want a spare room or an office space for home working.
In your position I think I'd just do the maintenance work and then keep the house the way you like it. Someone will buy it and make the changes they want to make. It's so expensive to do work now I don't think there's much benefit in doing it unless you want it for yourself to enjoy, in which case do the work that you really want or need and no more.

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TheLette · 21/04/2025 21:25

I'd definitely do the extension. Sounds like you need a new kitchen anyway, which isn't cheap. Otherwise I think you'd regret it in 10 years time (I speak from experience - we redid our kitchen which was hugely expensive as it uncovered a lot of issues that needed fixing, and now really wish we had extended at the same time).

Also I think you'd save money if you have a decent open plan space and that allows you to host kids birthday parties at home.

I wouldn't worry about a ceiling price if you plan to live there long term. You'll likely gain value and even if you don't gain much, the £60k investment will be enjoyed over the next 10-15 years.

Finally if you were to spend the money on holidays that would cause another problem as you'd get used to a fancier standard of holiday and then have to row back when the money ran out. Keep to what you are used to! (Although if you are thinking of having 4 kids it's surely going to be very expensive to go abroad with them all?!)

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 21/04/2025 21:22

Surely if you've borrowed for an extension then the loan has been given on the potential new value of the house when extended. If you simply spend the money you'll be in negative equity which is not somewhere you want to be really.

Copernicus321 · 21/04/2025 21:22

We're in a similar position, trying to decide whether or not to proceed with building work. We've lived in our home for 30 years and have grown very comfortable in it. While the location and views are truly exceptional, we're aware that the way we live doesn’t align with what buyers typically expect in this area and price range.

The house has five bedrooms but no en-suites, a small 10' x 7' kitchen, no utility room, and the white goods are housed in the garage. Although there's plenty of land, there's no paved outdoor seating area and the garden is in need of landscaping. We have planning permission for a large single-storey extension and some external improvements which would finally give the downstairs space the wow factor it’s currently missing.

The dilemma is this: when we factor in both the overdue maintenance and the cost of the planned extension and landscaping (250K-300K), the total investment may well not match the value it would add to the property. Even then, we’d still face the issue of selling a large house with no en-suite bathrooms, something that seems to be a must-have for most buyers these days. Converting one of the bedrooms to create a couple of en-suites is an option but that would mean additional costs for remodeling the upstairs. We sometimes wonder whether it would be simpler just to do the backdated maintenance, live in for another 20 years and when the time comes to sell, market the house as a project for someone else to enjoy.

FiveBarGate · 21/04/2025 21:19

I think some extensions are brilliant but in your particular circumstances to gain only a utility and lose all your outside storage, I'm not sure it stacks up.

You'd still need to reconfigure and an extension, new kitchen and potentially doing structural work is not going to come in at 60k.

Why don't you write a priority list of what you want to achieve and then consider what can be achieved in other ways e.g does a tumble dryer need a dedicated utility or can we utilise other space? And what can only be achieved with significant changes e.g I want an ear in kitchen or an open plan family space.

Your downstairs is quite large, it's just not being used particularly well.

Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:18

MimiSunshine · 21/04/2025 19:46

i would look at the costs of extending slightly out the back and see if it’d be worth it. But I think you could achieve what you need and would Definitely improve your way of living in the house plus the desirability of the house should you sell at some point. Without having to go to all the effort and cost of an extension.

or losing storage space down the side either

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Thanks @MimiSunshine I'm really tempted by your idea. I might try and get a quote for doing this VS the extension, it would basically just be knocking down one wall and building a new wall for the utility right?
I doubt we could go out the back any further than the conservatory wall unfortunately, but it would probably be a big enough space, especially if the kitchen didnt have to house the washing machine etc.

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Extendorsave · 21/04/2025 21:14

FiveBarGate · 21/04/2025 20:04

We had a similar debate and reconfigured which made a massive diy.

How much do you use your conservatory?

We hid a washing machine (and additional fridge and freezer) in a long run of units which just fit behind the door the room that adjoins the kitchen. All integrated with wooden worktop. TV goes above it so it was really dead space. You could do something similar in conservatory along one wall.

I put our tumble dryer in the shed. It's only a few steps from back door and on the way to or from washing line.

You could turn the dining room into your kitchen or open it all up.

We've found having two areas with sofas and TVs brilliant as kids have got older. Neither are massive and one has the extra bits described above hidden but it's still lovely to sit in. We lowered the window so it's a big picture window.

You could make the existing kitchen into a snug. Lots of options without extending.

Thanks for this I'm trying to understand what you mean. The walls of the conservatory are pretty small. We currently don't use the conservatory, it is currently housing random crap that we can't fit anywhere else as we have no garage and a leaking shed.
But we've just built a new storage unit, so we are hoping to now make the conservatory somewhere nice to sit and relax looking out onto the garden.
Its really helpful to hear imaginative ways of making the space work though so thank you.
We definitely want to keep two separate areas so we will keep the living room separate. If the kitchen was a snug where would the dining table go?
I'd love to see a floor plan of yours or a drawing! I'm intrigued!

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