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Dig licking plates before going into dishwasher - ick or not

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Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 21/04/2025 15:11

Have have hosted a lovely Easter BH Monday for all 7 GC, 3 step children, partners & children. We had an Easter egg hunt in garden, had breakfast in local farm shop & walked my lovely little dog around, petted animals etc.

For context I need to say that DSS & DIL are both British, but live in USA.

After a roast dinner I put the plates & general pots & pans down for the dog to lick. My DIL lost the plot saying that was so unhygienic I assured her that they would be going into the dishwasher on a high temperature - about 90c so would be sterilised. I always let the dog pre-wash my plates as consider it's going into the dishwasher at high temp to be sterilised so no problem.

DIL saying she will never let her children eat at my house again & gone-taken her DH & DC off in an huff.

DH has had a text from his son apologising but saying what can he do as has to support his wife. I totally get that. But....

My question is - is it OK to let dog lick out the plates etc when they are going into dishwasher at a high temp? WWUD?

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Somewhatgreen · 28/04/2025 12:00

As a touch older than you Happy, I’m supporting you. It’s overwhelmingly obvs there’s absolutely no problem from hygiene pov.
Unfortunately (prob due to my age!) I can’t work out which vote to tick to support your point, SOZ!
A reminder here, if a child’s immune system isn’t ‘challenged’, then it won’t b able to work out what &/or when to switch on for, (ie. or react to bad stuff). Hence, the truth in my Yorkshire Gm’s saying “you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die” (origin prob 18th C).
Also, it’s just come to me, all the waste food from scraped plates going down the drains probably causes a further burden on Drinking Water System? So probably far better inside a dog/chicken/cat/robins(they love left over scrambled eggs! ..…you wanted to know that lol!)

Bobnobob · 28/04/2025 00:04

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 27/04/2025 15:13

I'm not going to comment further on this thread.

Thank you to everyone for your responses.

For context the GC who live in UK (about 10 miles away) are frequent visitors, both their parents have dogs & they are used to scraping off any onions, condiments etc that may harm dogs & putting dishes down for their dogs to lick before going into the dishwasher. They love packing the dishwasher & generally helping out when at our house.

I understand my DIL's objections & concerns & will not allow this again when she is visiting. I have agreed that next time the dishes that she & her DCs eat from will be hand-washed in very hot water & soaked with a sterilising tablet before any food is put on them.

They visited again before they flew home, we went for a lovely trip to a local National Trust property, watched other GCs play rugby & all is fine.

Orrrrrrr you could just stop letting the dogs lick the plates? Just a suggestion 😂

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 21:32

effie19 · 27/04/2025 21:17

I think we agree then that all the dogs are loving life as they don't know that some of their mates are eating straight from the human plates 😉

Its interesting how differently dog owners feel about it, maybe I feel one way because as clean as I try to be I will still find dog hair in my own mouth regularly

Dog hairs in the mouth, me too!

I actually think other than the things dogs do regarding sheep poo, badger poo and any other animal poo, and the carrion that dogs hunt/find -my dog is bred to be a working dog - dogs are quite clean. Non dog owners might not understand this.

But for me it’s a matter of ethics.

effie19 · 27/04/2025 21:17

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 21:05

I was not suggesting anything! I made a statement.

I would never suggest anything about you or your dog. I don’t know you!

Right, my thing about not letting my dogs lick my plates is not solely about hygiene. It’s about MY ethics.

Each to their own. We are engaging on SM about topics in life.

I think we agree then that all the dogs are loving life as they don't know that some of their mates are eating straight from the human plates 😉

Its interesting how differently dog owners feel about it, maybe I feel one way because as clean as I try to be I will still find dog hair in my own mouth regularly

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 21:05

effie19 · 27/04/2025 20:54

I do all of these things too, you've agreed that your dog licks everything, I just think there must be multiple times a day where your hand touches something that your dog has licked, and then you touch your own skin, you can't wash your hands often enough to avoid it.

Not sure why the separate closing statement about your dog being loved and well-mannered, only serving to suggest that others aren't for some reason.

For what it's worth I put leftovers in my dog's bowl. Does that mean my dog has good manners too?

I was not suggesting anything! I made a statement.

I would never suggest anything about you or your dog. I don’t know you!

Right, my thing about not letting my dogs lick my plates is not solely about hygiene. It’s about MY ethics.

Each to their own. We are engaging on SM about topics in life.

effie19 · 27/04/2025 20:54

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 20:22

My dog licks lots of things around the house, in fact everything. But I do wash my hands regularly as I do when I go to the loo, when I am preparing food and just generally as a hygienic person.

I clean my house, I clean up after my dog.

When I am loading the dishwasher, I say to
my dog ‘leave it’ as I do with anything I do not want in his mouth.

When he is out for walks he picks up any number of things. That’s his environment. At home his environment does not involve licking up after I have eaten.

My dog is loved, well trained and well mannered.

I do all of these things too, you've agreed that your dog licks everything, I just think there must be multiple times a day where your hand touches something that your dog has licked, and then you touch your own skin, you can't wash your hands often enough to avoid it.

Not sure why the separate closing statement about your dog being loved and well-mannered, only serving to suggest that others aren't for some reason.

For what it's worth I put leftovers in my dog's bowl. Does that mean my dog has good manners too?

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 20:22

effie19 · 27/04/2025 19:23

The number of people saying "eww this is vile, I get that it's not a problem because the dishwasher will do it's job and clean the plate properly BUT.... "

Well but nothing, you've just said it's OK, so what's the problem?

Also our dog licks loads of stuff in our house, surely people aren't avoiding dog lick? He quite often licks our sofa, i sit on the sofa, i put my hand on my jeans etc etc, I'm sure the dog lick germ is going to get to my skin/mouth in plenty of other ways that aren't put anywhere near a boil wash... do the dog owners who thinks it's gross think they don't ingest dog lick in any other form either?

My dog licks lots of things around the house, in fact everything. But I do wash my hands regularly as I do when I go to the loo, when I am preparing food and just generally as a hygienic person.

I clean my house, I clean up after my dog.

When I am loading the dishwasher, I say to
my dog ‘leave it’ as I do with anything I do not want in his mouth.

When he is out for walks he picks up any number of things. That’s his environment. At home his environment does not involve licking up after I have eaten.

My dog is loved, well trained and well mannered.

MamaLenny · 27/04/2025 19:46

I think even if you know the plates will be cleaned by the dishwasher, it could still make some people feel queasy to witness a dog licking the plates. Best just to wait until after guests have gone home in future.

LouH1981 · 27/04/2025 19:30

I love dogs but it’s a huge no from me.

My dog used to eat cat poo and even if a dog is wormed, it can still carry worm eggs etc. All of which are transmitted through saliva etc.

I would just scrape it in to his bowl. (But be careful of over feeding)

effie19 · 27/04/2025 19:23

The number of people saying "eww this is vile, I get that it's not a problem because the dishwasher will do it's job and clean the plate properly BUT.... "

Well but nothing, you've just said it's OK, so what's the problem?

Also our dog licks loads of stuff in our house, surely people aren't avoiding dog lick? He quite often licks our sofa, i sit on the sofa, i put my hand on my jeans etc etc, I'm sure the dog lick germ is going to get to my skin/mouth in plenty of other ways that aren't put anywhere near a boil wash... do the dog owners who thinks it's gross think they don't ingest dog lick in any other form either?

Coolashaker · 27/04/2025 19:00

My dog's bowls all go through the dishwasher (on a separate wash to human stuff) and they are fed raw meat. But then I'll also wash human chopping boards and plates that have had raw chicken on them all together. None of us has ever had a dodgy tummy.

I do draw the line at letting the dogs lick the plates in front of guests though, you should def wait for the guests to go home first. 😅

I bet lots of people who are shitting themselves about dogs licking plates let their dogs sleep in their bed!

Iammatrix · 27/04/2025 17:34

I have just got back from a long walk in the fields just beyond my back garden, with my lovely, energetic cocker spaniel.

He picked up and spat out, did not eat, sheep poo on a number of occasions and the carcass of a dead bird.

All in a days play for my dog.

He is now back at home in the kitchen, licking his bottom..

I am now going to cook a lovely rack of lamb for supper. I will then let my dog lick the plates before I put them into the dishwasher.

NOT, NEVER, NO!

Gloriia · 27/04/2025 17:16

WutheringTights · 27/04/2025 16:47

Us too! His nickname at dinner time is pre-wash. 😁

Lovely. Do tell any guests though 🤮

WutheringTights · 27/04/2025 16:47

GardenGaff · 21/04/2025 15:21

Our dog waits by the dishwasher for us to load up as he knows he gets a few minutes to lick the dishes before we turn the dishwasher on. It’s never occurred to me to stop him (unless we’ve had something like curry), it’s one of the highlights of his day. 😂

Us too! His nickname at dinner time is pre-wash. 😁

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 27/04/2025 16:42

@Happyspendingthedayinthegarden we have 2 dogs and find it easy to split any leftovers into their respective dog bowls!

Whoarethoseguys · 27/04/2025 15:43

I think it's disgusting to let a dog lick the plates and pans that humans will us. I wouldn't want to eat off them either.

zingally · 27/04/2025 15:42

I don't have a dog any more, but used to occasionally let our dog lick the plates after a roast dinner.
Wouldn't do it in front of guests though!

HearthLight · 27/04/2025 15:39

KnickerFolder · 27/04/2025 14:50

Um… you are taking out of context a line from a sarcastic post to a poster who was clearly “preaching from Google” as she posted a link to a click bait news article rather than an actual scientific paper and accused people of being poorly informed 😂 If she understood anything about the subject, she could have at least chosen a bacterium found in dogs’ mouths that there are actual known cases of transmission from sharing crockery or a credible risk. Personally, I would be more concerned about Salmonella or Listeria.

I’m not “fairly sure” of the known modes of transmission of C. canimorsus, I know what they are. As I said, I was being sarcastic… If you read my other posts, you would know my professional background.

As I have already pointed out in other posts, there is a tiny risk but it is much lower than letting a dog lick you or many of the things that people routinely wash in their dishwasher eg plates with grains of rice, utensils used to prepare raw meat… We can’t eliminate every risk in life, this is not one I would get worked up about.

But as you are so knowledgeable, @elfendom, please tell me what you think I will learn about C. canimorsus if I “Lookup modes of transmission and stop pretending to know what you are talking about. Lookup dormancy, serotypes of the bacteria you mentioned, other bacteria not mentioned, biofilms, dishwasher temperatures, replication rates etc.” that would change my mind about the risk of transmission to immunocompetent individuals from a washed plate a dog has eaten from?

FWIW the likely mode of transmission in the cases shuggles linked to is via mucous membranes from a dog licking the face of the individuals.

Thanks for your informative contributions on this thread!

Also, you have an exceptionally great username.

Crumblesandcustard · 27/04/2025 15:29

I have a relative that does this, it is really grim and the next min the dog is eating the cat shit out of the litter tray 🤮. I will not eat anything there and I was brought up with dogs.

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 27/04/2025 15:13

I'm not going to comment further on this thread.

Thank you to everyone for your responses.

For context the GC who live in UK (about 10 miles away) are frequent visitors, both their parents have dogs & they are used to scraping off any onions, condiments etc that may harm dogs & putting dishes down for their dogs to lick before going into the dishwasher. They love packing the dishwasher & generally helping out when at our house.

I understand my DIL's objections & concerns & will not allow this again when she is visiting. I have agreed that next time the dishes that she & her DCs eat from will be hand-washed in very hot water & soaked with a sterilising tablet before any food is put on them.

They visited again before they flew home, we went for a lovely trip to a local National Trust property, watched other GCs play rugby & all is fine.

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KnickerFolder · 27/04/2025 14:50

elfendom · 27/04/2025 01:44

@KnickerFolder it does sound like you are preaching from google. So many incorrect things written, don't know where to start.

I am fairly sure the primary mode of transmission from dogs to humans is bites or contact of dog saliva with broken skin

Lookup modes of transmission and stop pretending to know what you are talking about. Lookup dormancy, serotypes of the bacteria you mentioned, other bacteria not mentioned, biofilms, dishwasher temperatures, replication rates etc.

The simple thing is why bother doing it if there is a risk, not to mention the dog thinking it's ok to eat off human plates.

Um… you are taking out of context a line from a sarcastic post to a poster who was clearly “preaching from Google” as she posted a link to a click bait news article rather than an actual scientific paper and accused people of being poorly informed 😂 If she understood anything about the subject, she could have at least chosen a bacterium found in dogs’ mouths that there are actual known cases of transmission from sharing crockery or a credible risk. Personally, I would be more concerned about Salmonella or Listeria.

I’m not “fairly sure” of the known modes of transmission of C. canimorsus, I know what they are. As I said, I was being sarcastic… If you read my other posts, you would know my professional background.

As I have already pointed out in other posts, there is a tiny risk but it is much lower than letting a dog lick you or many of the things that people routinely wash in their dishwasher eg plates with grains of rice, utensils used to prepare raw meat… We can’t eliminate every risk in life, this is not one I would get worked up about.

But as you are so knowledgeable, @elfendom, please tell me what you think I will learn about C. canimorsus if I “Lookup modes of transmission and stop pretending to know what you are talking about. Lookup dormancy, serotypes of the bacteria you mentioned, other bacteria not mentioned, biofilms, dishwasher temperatures, replication rates etc.” that would change my mind about the risk of transmission to immunocompetent individuals from a washed plate a dog has eaten from?

FWIW the likely mode of transmission in the cases shuggles linked to is via mucous membranes from a dog licking the face of the individuals.

elfendom · 27/04/2025 12:53

LuvACustardCream · 27/04/2025 11:57

I just wouldn't have done it in front of guests. The dog always finishes off our plates. Then into the dishwasher they go.

so dirty, a total disgrace, manage your animals.

elfendom · 27/04/2025 12:45

it is so nasty. I have had boyfriends. where the house is really fucking grim, but still the fucking animals are not eating off the plates.

LuvACustardCream · 27/04/2025 11:57

I just wouldn't have done it in front of guests. The dog always finishes off our plates. Then into the dishwasher they go.

Gloriia · 27/04/2025 11:53

SensibleGranny · 27/04/2025 09:29

Optics not a problem. Our Labrador's job is to pre wash our plates and dishes. She waits to do it and yes, I would eat from the dog bowl after it had been through the dishwasher.

Well again, please inform any guests of your poor hygiene standards before offering refreshments just so they know to decline.