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to worry my DD might be a narcissist?

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Roxietrees · 20/04/2025 22:01

Ok so maybe this is a bit of a leap but I’m genuinely worried. My DD is only 4.5 and I know they haven’t developed empathy yet at that age but I know she can be sweet and loving to me and to our cat, hence why this reaction surprised me - So we found a dead baby mouse that the cat had killed (its body was completely intact) and it was so small and sweet. I said to DD aw it’s sad isn’t it? She laughed and said no it’s not it’s funny. Then she asked me if she could pick it up! (Using gloves). I remember being her age and finding cute tiny mice & shrews my cat had killed and genuinely feeling sad for them- don’t remember it ever being something I laughed at. AIBU to think this is a totally abnormal reaction and possibly indicates some troubling behavioural problems or, (hope to fuck not!) narcissism? Or was it more likely she was looking for a reaction/attention-seeking by reacting in a way she knew I’d be shocked by? Or am I just an over-sensitive animal lover and she just isn’t??

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BuffetTheDietSlayer · 20/04/2025 23:07

Its not normal for a parent to think their young child is a narcissist. Do you have mental health problems?

TheSilentSister · 20/04/2025 23:04

I guess it depends on where you live, how often you go out for walks in the countryside and if you have pets. You have to nurture young minds.

I am not for one minute thinking she's a future psychopath, OP started it, lol.

EdgarAllenRaven · 20/04/2025 23:04

A Narcissist is obsessed with themselves.
I think you meant to say a Sociopath? Who lacks empathy.
And that’s hard to judge from one incident at such a young age…

Intranslation · 20/04/2025 23:04

SixtySomething · 20/04/2025 22:35

Yes, but not because a child doesn't show the exact expression of empathy the mother considers desireable!

And also empathy for people and possibly pets is a thing. Empathy for a rodent isn't, especially since a pet cat that brings in live mice is more of a problem and as an adult empathy would be the last thing on the adults mind.

As regards it being 'funny', that is a slightly different response to the average adult but I don't think it signifies much at that age

anonymous98 · 20/04/2025 23:00

She's 4. She probably doesn't even fully understand death.

TheSilentSister · 20/04/2025 23:00

I'm more interested in what you said to her about the initial reaction?
Hopefully, 'no, it's not funny, all life is sacred etc etc'.
I suppose it all depends on how much of nature she's seen. If it's not a lot, then maybe she's too young to process it.
It's up to you to teach her, educate her.

TaliaTalia · 20/04/2025 22:59

I was obsessed with death and dead things at that age (my mother still talks about it). I once tried to bring a dead bird into the house because I wanted to keep it. Once I overheard someone saying there was a dead snake at the end of the street so I went down to go poke it with a stick. I wasn’t in the least bit sad or upset even though I genuinely did love animals.

Happily, I don’t think I’ve grown up to be a narcissist (at least I hope not), and am definitely not a sociopath or psychopath (again, I think my mother did worry that my
obsession might one day turn into killing or torturing animals - it never did though, I was just a bit of an odd child).

I also laughed hysterically when my grandfather died and didn’t cry for several weeks. I still don’t fully understand why I did as I loved him deeply. I think kids can just be weird sometimes.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 20/04/2025 22:56

Magnificentbeast · 20/04/2025 22:14

Hi OP, sorry I didn’t actually mean to press YANBU! Can’t see how to undo it so didn’t want to click and run.

I think she’s still very young and the idea of death is something that she might not quite grasp just yet. I’ve found children can be very matter of fact about it. It takes time for them to learn empathy. Her reaction isn’t ideal but I wouldn’t worry just yet.

You can easily change your vote.
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Talkwhilstyouwalk · 20/04/2025 22:56

Octavia64 · 20/04/2025 22:03

All small children are narcissists. It’s an appropriate developmental stage.

it’s only diagnosed in adults where it is not appropriate.

💯

DragonBalls · 20/04/2025 22:52

Narcissism?? How the fuck do you make that leap? Maybe she has dementia. Or maybe she is just 4.

Smallmercies · 20/04/2025 22:51

OP, do you have narcissistic tendencies yourself?

Smallmercies · 20/04/2025 22:50

IstayhomeonFridaynight · 20/04/2025 22:48

I think a narcissist would make the finding of dead mouse all about her, eg how she was particularly sensitive. A psycopath might laugh.

An "over-sensitive animal lover" maybe?

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 20/04/2025 22:49

IstayhomeonFridaynight · 20/04/2025 22:48

I think a narcissist would make the finding of dead mouse all about her, eg how she was particularly sensitive. A psycopath might laugh.

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theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 20/04/2025 22:49

No she is 4 and you aren’t

She doesn’t really understand what death is

This is high level overthinking from you OP

mynameiscalypso · 20/04/2025 22:48

My 5 year old is very into death at the moment - I think it’s partly because of Easter. He popped up on a video call with my DM earlier to ask if her father (DS’ great grandfather) was dead yet. He is very much not.

IstayhomeonFridaynight · 20/04/2025 22:48

I think a narcissist would make the finding of dead mouse all about her, eg how she was particularly sensitive. A psycopath might laugh.

Smallmercies · 20/04/2025 22:46

If you're an over-sensitive animal lover, why do you keep a mouse-killer as a pet? Aren't you being a bit hypocritical? Your cat kills birds too. And quite possibly frogs. I think your tears over the baby mouse are 🐊 ones.

YourLoyalPlumOP · 20/04/2025 22:43

She’s 4.5. Her reaction doesn’t mean she’s a narcissist at all.

her reaction is fine and normal. She might just not have the emotional intelligence at her age to completely understand it and that’s ok.

Yotoyoto · 20/04/2025 22:42

I think the most strange thing is you have taken one seemingly small single episode and completely allowed it to define how you see your daughter. Bizarre.

verycloakanddaggers · 20/04/2025 22:41

I remember being her age and finding cute tiny mice & shrews my cat had killed and genuinely feeling sad for them also you remember almost nothing of your thoughts at 4.5.

verycloakanddaggers · 20/04/2025 22:39

She's 4.5.

Projecting your fears onto her and throwing around very serious terms is both ridiculous and potentially harmful.

Stop it, just parent sensibly and see a GP for any genuine concerns.

PlanetVulcan · 20/04/2025 22:38

I was like your daughter, I didn't really feel sadness around death until after puberty and when I was young, I laughed at lots of inappropriate things (e.g. when my dad told me my auntie had died when I was about 5), although this was through awkwardness not genuinely finding it funny. After puberty I developed empathy and emotions appropriate to situations e.g. I still get a lump in my throat recalling scenes from Schindler's List, I cry from emotion at funerals etc.

I did love animals as a kid and enjoyed caring for them (I had two much loved pet rats) but when they died I never felt anything! By comparison, aged 24 I cried at my pet mouse dying.

I do suspect I have some sort of high functioning ASD or at least strong traits (only mentioning as a PP said ASD), but I think your daughter is probably fine!

SixtySomething · 20/04/2025 22:35

OldCottageGreenhouse · 20/04/2025 22:27

To be fair, my DD was diagnosed at 4. This is after spending 2 years on the waiting list after a year spent at all the other appointments prior to joining the waiting list. ASD can be detected from around 18 months. In some cases even earlier than that.

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Yes, but not because a child doesn't show the exact expression of empathy the mother considers desireable!

SixtySomething · 20/04/2025 22:33

InWithThePlums · 20/04/2025 22:21

That’s a bold assumption. She’s only 4.

Not just bold, absolutely ridiculous and completely bonkers!

OldCottageGreenhouse · 20/04/2025 22:27

InWithThePlums · 20/04/2025 22:21

That’s a bold assumption. She’s only 4.

To be fair, my DD was diagnosed at 4. This is after spending 2 years on the waiting list after a year spent at all the other appointments prior to joining the waiting list. ASD can be detected from around 18 months. In some cases even earlier than that.

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