Why were trans threads hidden?

It's unbelievable that a lot of people are likening the SC ruling to Brexit and racism.

What, because people will be treated as their biological sex by the law?

That's equivalent to racism you think? 🫠

A lot of them on Mumsnet certainly do lack empathy. Or at least empathy for trans people.

This, the goading has been insufferable the last few days.
It is the equivalent of Brexit for the racists.

Do you mean this bit?

This is why every time women have suggested that we are a class of humans in our own right, we’ve been accused of wilfully denying trans women’s “right to exist”.

So its a double play on the word by TRA
• Right to exist as the right to live
And
• Right to exist as women must accept that the sub-group of males in the classification of women is justified.

@Never2manys second post creates the concept that wanting SSS is in of itsself transphobic and that there are an acceptable number of rapes which would happen in the mixed sex space.

Never2many · 20/04/2025 22:03
But discussion of trans isn’t allowed to be a general discussion.
You’re either transphobic or you’re flamed for not being.
nobody is allowed to be anything but transphobic on MN. This is why Barclays and Ocado want nothing to do with them.
People have become so far intrenched in the whole single sex spaces argument that they have lost sight of the fact that they have become bigots.
Let’s be honest here, how many women are being raped by trans women? Genuinely? Because it certainly isn’t anything near a large number, but as soon as it happens once the whole trans community is blamed.
Trans people have existed for an eternity. There have always been trans men and women, for as long as I remember.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5318876-why-were-trans-threads-hidden?reply=143718199

But the protests and the outpourings do amount to tantrums. Shall we post some of the male people who spoke at this weekend's protests and some of the videos they themselves post on line?

And the line 'right to exist' has been featured over and over and over.

Can you please explain how this decision means this group doesn't exist in material reality anymore? It is hyperbolic and emotional manipulation. So, yes, it is put in quotations.

It's a brilliant article. I can't see any bias in it. Women are not taking anything away from transwomen, they are merely centre-ing themselves as important rather than as there to 'do' for men.

It is well written - but it’s not balanced.

It mentions tantrums, pandering and trans women’s “right to exist” - god knows why that needs quotations - but then asks for empathy.

Maybe it was the fact that a woman called Jordan Gray 'he'. I mean any person who took such great delight in playing the piano with their penis on national television should be centred and be called 'she' surely?

Me too, I thought it was very insightful and extremely well-written.

It seems measured, accurate and well-written to me.

Had a quick read - seems fairly biased.

This is a great article that was posted on a different thread. Worth posting here too I think
https://thecritic.co.uk/gender-critical-women-do-not-lack-empathy/

You really believe that? Uh, OK then, you do you.

So the problem now is 'well, too many of you reply and participate on the thread'.

It would be nice if you didn't outright blatant lie about me. I have never once on this thread, nor anywhere on this site, told women how to think and feel or tone-policed.

By hectoring, I mean many posters peppering a single poster with hostile questions at once, with the intent of scaring them off the thread

nope nope nope

people are entitled to respond to a post within the guidelines without it being ether an act of aggression or seen as such

if MNHQ want to bring a maximum post ‘reply’ limit then I would be more than happy to abide by that

Considering you have been trying to tell women what to actually think and feel on this thread, it's a bit much that you're also trying to tell us what tone we may or may not take.

Your opinion carries no more or less weight on this thread than anyone else's. Stop trying to bully people into expressing themselves in a way you personally approve of. None of us are under any obligation to do that.

Why can’t we agree to have discussions in a a civil fashion, between women (and yes, I’m aware there are a few men on FWR)? What do men or trans women even have to do with how we discuss things on FWR?

Yes, all of that.

And when you see it, you really can't unsee it.

Women you need to speak in the expected way or we cannot hear you properly. Don't swear. Show proper respect to the male person you are talking about. Don't respond to being shamed (collectively or individually) by others. We also need to own the blame for being hurtful so we should accept being told we are hateful and responsible for the harm to a marginalised group. And at all times you should be interesting and kind and gentle.

I’ve certainly always experienced it as such.

"Oh show me where women punched, spat on, smoke bombed, intimidated, threatened or assaulted trans people with liquid?"

There is no symmetry. However, those people who appear to feel that they are the moderate people, across MN, social media and media, even politicians have done this, falsely equate the vile acts that extreme activists do and actually get away with as being 'as bad as' women who use precise and accurate language, point out established scientific facts and those women who just say 'no'.

There is no symmetry. I think it could be viewed as an act of misogyny for that comparison to be drawn.