Of course women will be safer

The poster is actually correct.

There is a long history of calling and seeing Black women as masculine and considering them sub-human and that still effect Black women today. Serena Williams and Former First Lady Michelle Obama dealt with such rhetorics so unsure why you are writing as if it isn’t true. Both are still believed and called men by some.

It also was only a few weeks before the ruling that a biological 6’4 woman was fired from her job in the States because she reported an incident to the wrong manager where a male customer went into the ladies bathroom she was in alone, shouting anti-trans rhetoric while his wife and daughter begged him to leave.

I agree with, and welcome, the ruling. However I think that TRA will now up the anti, and become more extreme, more violent and strident in their demands that the world buy into their delusions.

This will make the world more dangerous for women, especially ones who have challenged gender ideology and women's rights to safe spaces. If this does come about I hope that this will be a temporary situation, before sanity is restored.

I don't have any evidence that this will happen, its just my opinion, and experience of dealing with spoilt toddlers. It takes more than one tantrum not getting the desired outcome for them to understand the world doesn't revolve around them, and this particular group of large dangerous toddlers have been indulged and pandered to for far too long for them to take this setback lying down.

I fear the war is far from won.

Also, Black women and women who aren't conventionally attractive have always been harassed and classed as non-women. E.g. larger, more simply dressed, working class and so on. They are now less safe.
This is truly flabbergasting.
Non women 🤯
I’d hate to be inside your head @OhWhistle
What a truly bizarre place it must be.

I voted you abu for the following reason.

A trans man goes into a women's space, and tells you that it's ok because they are a trans, so they are actually a woman by your definition. And as far as the Equality Act goes, the high court says so too.

Here is someone who presents and acts like a man. What recourse do we have? What proof do we have that he is a trans man and not a predator?

But don't you get changed in a cubicle? I dont want anyone seeing me naked frankly All nurses provide intimate care regardless of their sexuality

”Transwomen” without GRCs should NEVER have been in women’s single sex spaces, irrespective of this judgment. Organisations who permitted this were discriminating against and harassing women.

It was only TW with a GRC who could ever have potentially had the right. Given that was only a tiny proportion of them, all this ruling really means is that the de facto self ID pushed on our public and private organisations by Stonewall, but has never been the law of this land, is at an end.

Actually I do think womens spaces should be for biological women. I just don't see how its going to feasible to put this in to practice which is what I mainly said about five posts ago. Which is mainly fine for you as apparently you can spot trans people anyway so that's not a problem for you.

If they enter now, women will be much more empowered to challenge them and that will be enough to stop some if not all.

God I would LOVE just one sensible conversation about this without hyperbole.

Those 150 (it’s not more actually, it’s less. I’m rounding up) are the number in prison. Not all 150 are violent rapists. 60 were convicted of sexual crimes, most of them not rape.

I think the judges got the ruling 100% correct. I fully support it. However if we are being sensible the absolute factual reality is that trans women did not pose a significant threat to women so we are not significantly safer. If we want to be significantly safer we have to broaden this conversation instead of going on and on and on about trans women.

We are overwhelmingly attacked in our women’s spaces by cis gendered men. So clearly saying men are not allowed in our spaces (whether trans women or cis men) doesn’t keep us safe. So what now? How do we actually stop men, of any kind, from entering our spaces. Because cis men have never been allowed to come in our spaces but they’ve been doing it anyway. What makes us think this ruling stops anyone from doing anything??

Oh the barista at Starbucks can intervene now if they see a trans woman enter the women’s bathrooms?

Oh guess what? When a man (trans woman or otherwise) wants to enter a woman’s bathroom to attack woman they don’t just stroll in before a crowd and attack someone with witnesses around. They sneak in, undetected and harm lone women. So whether they snuck in dressed as a women or as a man it doesn’t matter. They pick a moment when no one can see, hear or know what’s happening.

A trans woman doesn’t stroll brazenly into a busy woman’s bathroom and attack a woman and a ha ha no one can stop me because I’m trans and I’m allowed in here 🙄 Raping another human has always been illegal. That’s why it’s always done in secret.

Unisex changing spaces can still be subject to sex discrimination claims by women who feel unable to participate without a clear single sex space to use as an alternative. If I were a service provider I wouldn't hang my hat on these being used to "get round" the ruling.

Also, Black women and women who aren't conventionally attractive have always been harassed and classed as non-women. E.g. larger, more simply dressed, working class and so on. They are now less safe.
This is truly flabbergasting.
Non women 🤯
I’d hate to be inside your head @OhWhistle
What a truly bizarre place it must be.

They can use a unisex facility, there are enough of them about.

Men. Not cis men. Transwomen are the same bunch you’re talking about BTW

God I would LOVE just one sensible conversation about this without hyperbole.

Those 150 (it’s not more actually, it’s less. I’m rounding up) are the number in prison. Not all 150 are violent rapists. 60 were convicted of sexual crimes, most of them not rape.

I think the judges got the ruling 100% correct. I fully support it. However if we are being sensible the absolute factual reality is that trans women did not pose a significant threat to women so we are not significantly safer. If we want to be significantly safer we have to broaden this conversation instead of going on and on and on about trans women.

We are overwhelmingly attacked in our women’s spaces by cis gendered men. So clearly saying men are not allowed in our spaces (whether trans women or cis men) doesn’t keep us safe. So what now? How do we actually stop men, of any kind, from entering our spaces. Because cis men have never been allowed to come in our spaces but they’ve been doing it anyway. What makes us think this ruling stops anyone from doing anything??

Oh the barista at Starbucks can intervene now if they see a trans woman enter the women’s bathrooms?

Oh guess what? When a man (trans woman or otherwise) wants to enter a woman’s bathroom to attack woman they don’t just stroll in before a crowd and attack someone with witnesses around. They sneak in, undetected and harm lone women. So whether they snuck in dressed as a women or as a man it doesn’t matter. They pick a moment when no one can see, hear or know what’s happening.

A trans woman doesn’t stroll brazenly into a busy woman’s bathroom and attack a woman and a ha ha no one can stop me because I’m trans and I’m allowed in here 🙄 Raping another human has always been illegal. That’s why it’s always done in secret.

Well they wouldn't be able to go swimming any where near me. The 4 pools I've used are all unisex changing villages.

I’m absolutely against trans women in women spaces, but honestly after a proper transition I wouldn’t expect someone with a vagina (surgically made or not) to use the men’s toilets/changing rooms, especially as the men wouldn’t know she is a trans women. The risk towards them is still the same

I’m absolutely against trans women in women spaces, but honestly after a proper transition I wouldn’t expect someone with a vagina (surgically made or not) to use the men’s toilets/changing rooms, especially as the men wouldn’t know she is a trans women. The risk towards them is still the same

Hmm no, but she looks like a women, speaks like a women, has breasts and a ‘vagina’ so it’s unlikely people would question it. I have no issue and trust her because I know her, fair enough other people wouldn’t but I also understand why she isn’t going to go into the men’s changing room when she has characteristics of a women

You can't speak for anyone else as whether they'd know or not. Regardless, this person knows and should show respect for women by not entering their spaces.

You can't speak for anyone else as whether they'd know or not. Regardless, this person knows and should show respect for women by not entering their spaces.

God I would LOVE just one sensible conversation about this without hyperbole.

Those 150 (it’s not more actually, it’s less. I’m rounding up) are the number in prison. Not all 150 are violent rapists. 60 were convicted of sexual crimes, most of them not rape.

I think the judges got the ruling 100% correct. I fully support it. However if we are being sensible the absolute factual reality is that trans women did not pose a significant threat to women so we are not significantly safer. If we want to be significantly safer we have to broaden this conversation instead of going on and on and on about trans women.

We are overwhelmingly attacked in our women’s spaces by cis gendered men. So clearly saying men are not allowed in our spaces (whether trans women or cis men) doesn’t keep us safe. So what now? How do we actually stop men, of any kind, from entering our spaces. Because cis men have never been allowed to come in our spaces but they’ve been doing it anyway. What makes us think this ruling stops anyone from doing anything??

Oh the barista at Starbucks can intervene now if they see a trans woman enter the women’s bathrooms?

Oh guess what? When a man (trans woman or otherwise) wants to enter a woman’s bathroom to attack woman they don’t just stroll in before a crowd and attack someone with witnesses around. They sneak in, undetected and harm lone women. So whether they snuck in dressed as a women or as a man it doesn’t matter. They pick a moment when no one can see, hear or know what’s happening.

A trans woman doesn’t stroll brazenly into a busy woman’s bathroom and attack a woman and a ha ha no one can stop me because I’m trans and I’m allowed in here 🙄 Raping another human has always been illegal. That’s why it’s always done in secret.