Of course women will be safer

trans men may some times be lawfully excluded from female-only facilities because they appear male.

Well the practice worked fine until about 10 years ago so why do you think it'll be so hard now?

Up til recently, any man in any clothes who walked into a women's single space immediately outed himself as a wrong'un. Women could appeal for help eg from bar staff or security, and those people would help.

As soon as selfID came along that went out of the window, the women were afraid of being called a bigot, so were the bar staff/ security, and the man could just claim to be trans and the bar staff/security either didn't know he wasn't allowed in anyway or has actively been trained by the likes of Stonewall that he was.

This resets us to 10 years ago. Is it 100% guarantee of safety? No. Is it an important safeguard that makes us safer than we were last week? Yes

This is your response to same gender/same sex violence?

Sides?

They’re not as smart as they think they are with the deflection. We see them.

Oddly enough, the violence is only coming from one side - the side you support. Think on it.

It’s very strange that they’ve fixated on this ‘argument’ and are happy to be wildly racist to support men in women’s spaces.

Women will not be safer, this puts more women at risk my friend is very tall, has fairly masculine features. She will be questioned, ridiculed and asked to use men's spaces while any male predators will still be predators

I've been seriously sexually assaulted and also perved at by women, including a bathroom incident at school. A lot of people I know have been assaulted e.g. by female childminders. It's often not as heavily violent as male assault nor can it cause pregnancy but it happens.

I'll only feel safer when there is more concern about addressing violence as such.

I feel less safe seeing the violence with which binaries are being enforced in the name of my rights. Not in my name.

That’s great, good for you’ But it bothers a lot of us. Many of us who’ve been sexually abused, raped and assaulted by men. Other women are Muslims or Orthodox Jews. can you understand that not everyone is like you, not everyone has the same needs and that sharing an intimate space would be triggering or impossible?

Our gym has open changing areas, one single cubicle, four showers with those pathetic curtains like you had at school.

I’m correctly sexing men. There’s no such thing as cis. And yes I’m protecting women - even ungrateful man-centric deluded ones, because I’m even if someone is a dick or has internalised misogyny, women deserve safety.

Queening gender is a feminist act.

I don’t speak Word Saladnese, you’ll have to sue English terminology.

Fair enough, it just isn’t something that would bother me personally

If you want a sensible conversation perhaps don’t minimise the actions of sex offenders by saying there only 150 to worry about.

Do you have a source for your “only” 60 sex offenders?

However if we are being sensible the absolute factual reality is that trans women did not pose a significant threat to women so we are not significantly safer. If we want to be significantly safer

Thats obviously subjective because I completely disagree with you. Our very safety, agency and privacy was on the line. Women are an oppressed group. Men are our oppressors. For men to colonise and appropriate us is hugely significant - not just in terms of safety but privacy and dignity. I’ve said before my DD is 11 and is a boxer. Knowing she’ll never have to compete with a man, is hugely significant.

What makes us think this ruling stops anyone from doing anything??

I’ve no doubt the toddler strapped inside a man’s body will still disrespect women - I mean they’ve never respected us before so why would they start now - and many will still enter. But the law is on our side and they can be kicked out - and if a sexual assault happens, people will actually be held accountable rather than shrugging and saying “Well she said she was a woman so we didn’t stop her going on the ward/in the toilets/in the prison cell”. We have power over this, finally - and the accusations of bigotry will stop.

*A trans woman doesn’t stroll brazenly into a busy woman’s bathroom and attack a woman and a ha ha no one can stop me because I’m trans and I’m allowed in here 🙄

Oh dear you clearly haven’t been doing enough reading. It has happened. Do you want to actually know when and the impact on the victim who was gaslighted throughout?

Raping another human has always been illegal. That’s why it’s always done in secret.

Which is why we prevent at every possible step including getting men out of women’s spaces

I mean what I say. Cismen. Why are you telling me what I mean? Are you a man? Or the kind of woman who'll keep me 'safe' provided I agree with you?

Cismen who have never questioned their gender have privilege going right back to Athens.

Queening gender is a feminist act.

I’m absolutely against trans women in women spaces, but honestly after a proper transition I wouldn’t expect someone with a vagina (surgically made or not) to use the men’s toilets/changing rooms, especially as the men wouldn’t know she is a trans women. The risk towards them is still the same

Hmm no, but she looks like a women, speaks like a women, has breasts and a ‘vagina’ so it’s unlikely people would question it. I have no issue and trust her because I know her, fair enough other people wouldn’t but I also understand why she isn’t going to go into the men’s changing room when she has characteristics of a women

I'm not sure what the relevance of that point is. No they won't be able to use unisex changing rooms. They won't be able to use female changing rooms that men can infiltrate. Can't we do the decent thing and ensure there is a space to accommodate them? Not necessarily in every pool, but some?

God I would LOVE just one sensible conversation about this without hyperbole.

Those 150 (it’s not more actually, it’s less. I’m rounding up) are the number in prison. Not all 150 are violent rapists. 60 were convicted of sexual crimes, most of them not rape.

I think the judges got the ruling 100% correct. I fully support it. However if we are being sensible the absolute factual reality is that trans women did not pose a significant threat to women so we are not significantly safer. If we want to be significantly safer we have to broaden this conversation instead of going on and on and on about trans women.

We are overwhelmingly attacked in our women’s spaces by cis gendered men. So clearly saying men are not allowed in our spaces (whether trans women or cis men) doesn’t keep us safe. So what now? How do we actually stop men, of any kind, from entering our spaces. Because cis men have never been allowed to come in our spaces but they’ve been doing it anyway. What makes us think this ruling stops anyone from doing anything??

Oh the barista at Starbucks can intervene now if they see a trans woman enter the women’s bathrooms?

Oh guess what? When a man (trans woman or otherwise) wants to enter a woman’s bathroom to attack woman they don’t just stroll in before a crowd and attack someone with witnesses around. They sneak in, undetected and harm lone women. So whether they snuck in dressed as a women or as a man it doesn’t matter. They pick a moment when no one can see, hear or know what’s happening.

A trans woman doesn’t stroll brazenly into a busy woman’s bathroom and attack a woman and a ha ha no one can stop me because I’m trans and I’m allowed in here 🙄 Raping another human has always been illegal. That’s why it’s always done in secret.

However men can just say ‘I’m a trans man’ and enter female spaces, this just makes it easier for the actually dangerous men now.

I know what misogynior is - pretty sure saying black women look like men is part of it

No idea what it has to do with this ruling though