Of course women will be safer

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

I am the op. Weirdly I got kicked off Mumsnet with no email explaining why shortly after I posted this thread.

does this usually happen?

I was thinking of starting a poll of how many MNers have:

A transwoman friend who is 5'4 has had 'all the surgeries' and the poster didn't even realise was transwoman until they were told;

Or, a transman friend who is over 6 foot and muscle bound and is indistinguishable from a man;

Or, a teenage DD/DDs friend who is over 5'10 and androgynous and is constantly being accused of being a man in public toilets;

Or, a butch lesbian friend who is constantly being accused of being a man in public toilets.

I'm up to at least 10 since Wednesday. It's amazing.

There is consequences to decisions that we make and if a women takes powerful wrong sex hormones are drastically changed her appearance she may find that she cannot access some single sex provisions

I hope you are being paid well and in real life have a lovely name like Anastasia.

Your selective response erasing and minimising my serious trauma which is by no means unique. I am going to try to hide this thread.

So it depends on the circumstance. Which seems fair enough.

It’s terrible that you got assaulted in a bathroom - another good reason to advocate for 3rd spaces - but women belong in women’s bathrooms. Even the (very very rare) violent women.

I talked about my experience of being assaulted by women. Ciswomen. You don't care because apparently it's the wrong kind of assault. I'm not safe in a bathroom with the likes of you.

This is from Michael Foran’s sub stack. I trust his interpretation :

The Supreme Court also addressed the position of those who “pass” as members of the opposite sex and whether they could be excluded from single-sex services intended for their natal sex, as is the case with those trans men who are biologically female but, having taken testosterone, have masculinised their appearance [221]:

Moreover, women living in the male gender could also be excluded under paragraph 28 without this amounting to gender reassignment discrimination. This might be considered proportionate where reasonable objection is taken to their presence, for example, because the gender reassignment process has given them a masculine appearance or attributes to which reasonable objection might be taken in the context of the women-only service being provided. Their exclusion would amount to unlawful gender reassignment discrimination not sex discrimination absent this exception.

This means that trans men do not have a legal entitlement to use male-only facilities because they are female and may some times be lawfully excluded from female-only facilities because they appear male. The only prudent solution in those situations is for service providers to offer a separate service for transgender people.

Your selective response erasing and minimising my serious trauma which is by no means unique. I am going to try to hide this thread.

It’s terrible that you got assaulted in a bathroom - another good reason to advocate for 3rd spaces - but women belong in women’s bathrooms. Even the (very very rare) violent women.

And then it says "absent this exception" underneath, which means "unless an exception were made", which would mean "unless an exception is made because this is a biological woman".

I responded only to your claim that you are "seeing violence with which binaries are enforced". I have asked to see proof of this violence, as I have yet to see any violence regarding enforcing a binary, and yet plenty committed by those trying to blur them.

That makes no sense.
All trans men are biological women.

I talked about my experience of being assaulted by women. Ciswomen. You don't care because apparently it's the wrong kind of assault. I'm not safe in a bathroom with the likes of you.

Nobody actually thought these women were men, though. They said it to belittle and shame Michelle, Serena et al. Nobody, for one second, genuinely believed these women were men.

And then it says "absent this exception" underneath, which means "unless an exception were made", which would mean "unless an exception is made because this is a biological woman".

I talked about my experience of being assaulted by women. Ciswomen. You don't care because apparently it's the wrong kind of assault. I'm not safe in a bathroom with the likes of you.

The poster is actually correct.

There is a long history of calling and seeing Black women as masculine and considering them sub-human and that still effect Black women today. Serena Williams and Former First Lady Michelle Obama dealt with such rhetorics so unsure why you are writing as if it isn’t true. Both are still believed and called men by some.

It also was only a few weeks before the ruling that a biological 6’4 woman was fired from her job in the States because she reported an incident to the wrong manager where a male customer went into the ladies bathroom she was in alone, shouting anti-trans rhetoric while his wife and daughter begged him to leave.

I talked about my experience of being assaulted by women. Ciswomen. You don't care because apparently it's the wrong kind of assault. I'm not safe in a bathroom with the likes of you.

Quite. They really are just pulling out the dregs of their arguments now. Maybe they’ll give up soon.

Please link to the placards saying "the only good trans person is a dead trans person". The only violence comes from the side - and yes, it is a side - declaring that trans rights must be protected at the expense of EVERYTHING else. In short, men aren't taking "no" for an answer, again. What's astonishing is the number of women supporting them.