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HardyKoala · 20/04/2025 12:11

Following the Supreme Court ruling. I’m flummoxed by the amount of women I considered intelligent friends, posting rubbish about how women are actually no safer and this ruling is just anti-trans. I just don’t understand how intelligent women are coming to this conclusion.

The main argument seems to be that men will be men and will still rape and assault.

Of course they will.

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this. And this did happen, a few examples below.

They will no longer be able to enter women’s changing rooms and film teenage girls naked. They will no longer be able to enter the women’s toilets in Morrisons unchallenged and sexually assault a 10yr old girl. They will no longer be able to be housed in women’s prisons raping vulnerable women in the shower. This will all stop.

Yes, I do understand the negative impact on a few trans women and I feel for them, but why should ALL women put themselves and their daughters at risk for this tiny minority? I just don’t get it. If you’re campaigning for anything, campaign for 3rd spaces surely? But don’t campaign to allow any man the right to enter women’s spaces.

I have no issue with trans people in any way (I know a few) but I just can’t understand this argument that all women should be more at risk. Of course most trans women aren’t a threat. But men pretending to be women for access to women ARE a threat. And this ruling makes it harder for them to rape and assault us.

The amount of friends I’m seeing posting this rubbish has thrown me. I feel like I’m in an a weird alternate reality.

Of course women will be safer
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BunfightBetty · 21/04/2025 11:19

batsandeggs · 21/04/2025 11:16

Any evidence that isn’t behind a paywall? Please bear in mind that I’m asking for evidence that trans women pose an increased risk.

It isn’t behind a paywall, I’ve just double checked.

For future reference, you can type a URL into archive.ph to get around paywalls.

You’ll have to look at the stats on trans prisoners. They are out there, but I don’t have them to hand at the moment and am about to go out for the day (though someone else may oblige you).

Remember, trans women are men, not women. You’ve had evidence that males do 99% of sex offending. What extra offending will satisfy you? 99% is extremely high!!

BunfightBetty · 21/04/2025 11:16

Stompythedinosaur · 21/04/2025 11:10

You cannot tell who's a man and who's a woman from looking. So this ruling changes nothing. Rapists and abusers will continue to break the rules and go where they like.

In fact, if we become accustomed to seeing trans-men in female spaces, that makes it really easy for male-presenting people to go unquestioned.

If a week ago we assumed a rapist was willing to claim to be a trans-woman, why on earth would they not now claim to be a trans-man?

The vast majority of women CAN tell very easily who is male. It’s an evolutionary survival mechanism, honed over millennia, to enable us to keep ourselves safer from predatory men (the oppressor sex). Men may find it more difficult as their survival hasn’t relied on doing this with accuracy.

batsandeggs · 21/04/2025 11:16

BunfightBetty · 21/04/2025 11:09

Here’s some evidence that you are more unsafe in mixed sex spaces.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/

Plus take a look at the ONS stats on sex offending. The most up to date show that 99% of sex offences are carried out by men. Previously it was 98%. It varies slightly from year to year, but is always hovering between 98-99%. Stats show trans women commit sex crimes at the same or slightly higher rates than other males.

So just keeping males out of what should be women’s single sex spaces - not just changing rooms and toilets, but prison cells, refuges and other places where women are vulnerable - keeps women MUCH safer. Which is why women’s single sec spaces were created in the first place.

Any evidence that isn’t behind a paywall? Please bear in mind that I’m asking for evidence that trans women pose an increased risk.

Annascaul · 21/04/2025 11:14

You cannot tell who's a man and who's a woman from looking
This again? Will you stop talking shite, ffs!

BunfightBetty · 21/04/2025 11:14

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 00:44

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

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Sorry for your medical problems, that sounds tough for you.

If your appearance is ambiguous (though it doesn’t sound as if it is really?), were you to be challenged in a women’s single sex space, the minute you speak will make it very obvious that you are a biological female. There’s no need for you to avoid using the women’s toilets.

TheKeatingFive · 21/04/2025 11:13

Stompythedinosaur · 21/04/2025 11:10

You cannot tell who's a man and who's a woman from looking. So this ruling changes nothing. Rapists and abusers will continue to break the rules and go where they like.

In fact, if we become accustomed to seeing trans-men in female spaces, that makes it really easy for male-presenting people to go unquestioned.

If a week ago we assumed a rapist was willing to claim to be a trans-woman, why on earth would they not now claim to be a trans-man?

You absolutely can detect sex by looking with a very high degree of accuracy. Don't be silly.

And now that the law has been clarified, any man who tries to infiltrate women's spaces, knows that this is wrong and they are breaking the law. Those men need to act with decency and stay out.

Stompythedinosaur · 21/04/2025 11:10

You cannot tell who's a man and who's a woman from looking. So this ruling changes nothing. Rapists and abusers will continue to break the rules and go where they like.

In fact, if we become accustomed to seeing trans-men in female spaces, that makes it really easy for male-presenting people to go unquestioned.

If a week ago we assumed a rapist was willing to claim to be a trans-woman, why on earth would they not now claim to be a trans-man?

BunfightBetty · 21/04/2025 11:09

batsandeggs · 21/04/2025 10:38

I’m asking for the evidence which shows I will now be safer following the Supreme Court’s judgement. Where is the evidence that I was unsafe prior to the ruling? As per OP’s observations.

Here’s some evidence that you are more unsafe in mixed sex spaces.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/

Plus take a look at the ONS stats on sex offending. The most up to date show that 99% of sex offences are carried out by men. Previously it was 98%. It varies slightly from year to year, but is always hovering between 98-99%. Stats show trans women commit sex crimes at the same or slightly higher rates than other males.

So just keeping males out of what should be women’s single sex spaces - not just changing rooms and toilets, but prison cells, refuges and other places where women are vulnerable - keeps women MUCH safer. Which is why women’s single sec spaces were created in the first place.

Unisex changing rooms put women in danger | Fair Play For Women

There is unequivocal evidence that unisex changing rooms are more dangerous for women and girls than single-sex facilities. Get the facts

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger

Nevermindthebuzzard · 21/04/2025 11:06

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The alternative is a female officer being forced to strip search a male. How is that right?

BundleBoogie · 21/04/2025 11:03

batsandeggs · 21/04/2025 10:38

I’m asking for the evidence which shows I will now be safer following the Supreme Court’s judgement. Where is the evidence that I was unsafe prior to the ruling? As per OP’s observations.

If you can’t imagine how that having clarity in the legal backing to demand policies that exclude men who identify as women is going to make women safer than it’s going to be hard to help you.

Try reading up on events of the last few years and find out? There is a long list of women and girls that specifically would not have been raped or sexually assaulted, had the authorities followed the actual law including Dolotowski’s young victims, the women raped in a female hospital ward by a trans identifying male (at least two off the top of my head) and the women in prison punished for complaining about being sexually assaulted. All if those utterly preventable.

How many raped and sexually assaulted women would be enough for you to agree there been an issue that we at least now have the tools to fix?

BundleBoogie · 21/04/2025 10:51

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 00:44

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

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I’m not sure what you mean by ‘the cause’ and why you feel that makes you collateral damage?

You do understand that women are a lot more vigilant and sensitive about who they see in female only spaces now purely because so many men have decided they want to barge in as well?

The implication from your slightly aggrieved sounding comment is that women are somehow to blame for this situation - I suggest that if you worked with us rather than against us and we re-established women’s spaces for women only then eventually things will settle down and you will be hassled less.

batsandeggs · 21/04/2025 10:38

SternJoyousBee · 20/04/2025 20:37

We don’t need to have any.

women have said for years that GRA/GRR/self ID was incompatible with women’s rights. We were told we were wrong and that trans right didn’t impact wonen’s.

The SC has just confirmed what a lot of us believed to be fact; that ‘woman’ and sex in the EA 2010 means female and biological sex.

Are you now claiming that women’s rights do in fact clash with what you think are existing trans rights? Or are you just trying to emotionally manipulate women into giving up our sex based rights in favour of men with different identities?

I’m asking for the evidence which shows I will now be safer following the Supreme Court’s judgement. Where is the evidence that I was unsafe prior to the ruling? As per OP’s observations.

TheKeatingFive · 21/04/2025 10:02

JandamiHash · 21/04/2025 09:21

Yep - it’s funny how “A woman misgendered in the loo” distresses people more than “women raped by TW in prison DV shelters and hospital wards”.

This

IHeartHalloumi · 21/04/2025 10:00

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 00:44

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

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Who hassles you for using the disabled loo? I used it regularly when I had kids in nappies as that's usually where the baby change is, and am guilty of still sometimes using it for convenience. It would be perfectly reasonable for someone to challenge me as I am not disabled - I've never been challenged and never seen anyone else challenged for misuse of disabled facilities. If someone wrongly challenges you surely you just say you have a disability they can't see and it's none of their business?

I'm sorry this has affected you but it's certainly not an argument to allow men into women's facilities. At least now we can safely challenge males in women's spaces without fear of being accused of hate crimes. I'm rather upset a masculine looking female than allow a predatory male into women's spaces.

JandamiHash · 21/04/2025 09:22

Nameychangington · 21/04/2025 09:20

Yeah a lot of us are collateral damage - non gender conforming people of both sexes, women with PTSD, people with religious beliefs, LGB people, ND and mentally unwell children who've been told they're in the wrong body, little girls sexuallly assaulted in Morrisons toilets, women prisoners locked up with violent men to protect the men for mother violent men.

We're collateral damage to the cause of an aggressive mens rights movement. Not the cause of women's single sex spaces. Put the blame where it belongs.

Well said. I’m sick of women being made out to be the demons. We’re not

JandamiHash · 21/04/2025 09:21

AhBiscuits · 21/04/2025 06:59

We can all find random anecdotes that support our view. This happened a year ago so how does it show the impact of the SC ruling?

Yep - it’s funny how “A woman misgendered in the loo” distresses people more than “women raped by TW in prison DV shelters and hospital wards”.

JandamiHash · 21/04/2025 09:20

Maddy70 · 21/04/2025 06:56

Rather embarrassed your “proof” is random unsubstantiated (and let’s face it, unlikely) story about something happened before the ruling. What don’t you understand about toilets being the thin end of the wedge?

Nameychangington · 21/04/2025 09:20

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 00:44

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

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Yeah a lot of us are collateral damage - non gender conforming people of both sexes, women with PTSD, people with religious beliefs, LGB people, ND and mentally unwell children who've been told they're in the wrong body, little girls sexuallly assaulted in Morrisons toilets, women prisoners locked up with violent men to protect the men for mother violent men.

We're collateral damage to the cause of an aggressive mens rights movement. Not the cause of women's single sex spaces. Put the blame where it belongs.

JandamiHash · 21/04/2025 09:14

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 01:00

As I said, my solution is to avoid using public toilets at all. Like I said, collateral damage.

So you are going to let the idiots win and not even use a disabled toilet? My DS is disabled and sadly we don’t live in a perfect world, I’m always gonna get morons making comments but I’ll be damned if I let them get to me. A sarcastic reply usually works a treat.

LittlerCharlotte · 21/04/2025 07:59

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 00:44

I am a 5" 11 woman with size 11 feet. I also have a funny walk and pee with a catheter, both due to an incomplete spinal cord injury. I look very female, but have been accused of being trans. I am now minimising trips out, because I daren't go into Ladies toilets now and I also get shit for using disabled toilets. So yes, aberrations like me walk among us. But hey, collateral damage for the cause I guess.

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I'm surprised you get "shit" for using disabled toilets given that you are disabled. You have every right to use them and the ladies' loo. I'm surprised also you've been accused of being trans. What happened when you said you weren't?

Carry on using both facilities as you are perfectly entitled to. But please don't belittle "the cause" as something inconsequential. Women's rights aren't inconsequential.

AhBiscuits · 21/04/2025 06:59

Maddy70 · 21/04/2025 06:56

We can all find random anecdotes that support our view. This happened a year ago so how does it show the impact of the SC ruling?

Maddy70 · 21/04/2025 06:56

I have just seen this on threads. Women are not safer... www.threads.net/@laurasidestreet/post/DIrlJVRA_Nr?xmt=AQGzWKD0wALihORDehr33iWE3EzD5VKSkYjs-C0f87BMsg

Foostit · 21/04/2025 02:07

ThisUsernameIsNowTaken · 20/04/2025 12:32

Because you've started yet another anti-trans thread.

@ThisUsernameIsNowTaken
Did you actually read the post? The OPs views are actually shared by the majority. She is entitled to her opinion and perfectly valid views without being accused of being ‘anti trans’ My issue with this whole argument is exactly this. You can’t express relief as a woman for not having the very real fear of having to share your changing rooms etc with men without being accused of being anti trans. I’m not remotely anti trans and in no way does it appear that the OP or anyone else who agrees with the ruling is.

SternJoyousBee · 21/04/2025 01:06

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 01:00

As I said, my solution is to avoid using public toilets at all. Like I said, collateral damage.

Sorry but it didn’t come across as sincere … all that was missing was an eye-roll emoji.
I have already said that I was frequently mistaken as make when I was younger. But I am happy to be questioned by a concerned women rather than allow men easy access to our spaces

user1471516498 · 21/04/2025 01:00

SternJoyousBee · 21/04/2025 00:58

I’m sorry you face difficulties but what do you suggest as a solution? Lose our provision to single sex spaces to allow AGPs access to our spaces?

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As I said, my solution is to avoid using public toilets at all. Like I said, collateral damage.

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