Of course women will be safer

It's not a small likelihood. Just underrecognised and underreported. It carries a lot of shame culturally and meets with disbelief.

I've seen some proper bollocks posted following this judgment. Someone on insta earlier was banging on about how women will now need to prove they are women in order to be searched by a female police officer. Err.. ....what?
There's been a lot of trying to spin it as a bad thing for women and TRAs are really having to tie themselves in knots to do it.

Exactly this. As people often point out, transwomen (and men) have been around forever. While there was always single sex spaces I’m in no doubt trans people would use the “wrong” sex toilet and I’m pretty sure everyone just muddled through. This was never an issue decades ago. No one even mentioned it as far as I remember. I don’t remember any transwoman with a penis in changing rooms.

But then came the “inclusivity”. The insistence no one needed surgery or hormones or even change how they look to be a woman. It was all on someone’s say so only. This is where it all started to go wrong. The insistence that trans women were ACTUAL women. What is wrong with being a transwoman? It shouldn’t be shameful.

OP your friends need to get angry at Stonewall. We would probably have been fine with the blurred edge fudging of trans inclusion that we've had for years.

But such organisations got extreme and demanded unfair male inclusion in female sports and for basically any man wearing women's clothing - no surgery etc to be counted as actual women.

I think this is about fairness for women and stopping extreme, unreasonable ideas. Yes it's a hard verdict but that's because women were forced to get hard and get this clarification.

I've very sorry to hear that you have been sexuallly assaulted by women multiple times in your life and know of lots of people who've been assaulted by female childminders. I'm sure that knowing the vanishingly small likelihood of that happening is of no comfort to you.

What do you mean by "I feel less safe seeing the violence with which binaries are being enforced in the name of my rights." What binaries are being enforced and who is commiting violence to do so?

Thinking about it, I know a few people who don't lock their front doors at night. I often forget to do it myself, I just go off to bed. Might have to set a reminder for this on my phone now.

Do you leave your front door open at night or the keys in your car overnight? The majority of the population don’t want to burgle your house or steal your car. But most people lock their doors anyway to at least TRY and stop that minority doing these things. I mean some burglars will break in and burgle your house anyway so I guess you may as well just leave the door open then or the keys in the car right? Because if these bad people will just do it anyway why try and stop them?

Because surely 99% of trans women just want to live as they choose and will not harm or abuse anyone, but that 1% who want to access womens spaces just to abuse them will do it either way.

So overjoyed about the ruling. Op , I am also astonished about all the genuine women protesting alongside the TRAs. Fucking mind-boggling. YANBU!!!!

You said it yourself "most trans women are not a threat".

officers with a certificate they bought for a fiver to say they are really a lady.

Take your point. But that's not how GRC's work. Years waiting on the NHS lists right now or forking out hundreds just for an appointment where they assess you for hormone suitability, and you can stil be refused a diagnosis, and then after all of that you need letters from 2 medical professionals for the actual GRC application after it's been a certain timeframe. Think the local clinic in my area has a waitlist over 10 years long, and a private appointment (not the diagnosis itself just the initial 1st appointment) cost about £500.

Nobody pays a fiver for one.

Search terms 'misogynoir', 'Sapphire', and 'womanism' will help.

You asked what she was on about. I responded with well-known stories about three well known people. I'm obviously not saying they are true, of course they aren't. But they are examples of women with non-traditional looks being harassed and judged for that fact. I've seen the Obama one discussed on MN. Nothing to do with incels.

Good faith = lying down to be walked all over

Go away and read a little feminist history and come back.

Of course you may be too busy demolishing hotbeds of woke like universities.

Where the fuck are you getting your news? Incels Daily?

There is no point because you people (the self-proclaimed ‘gender critical’), never even attempt to approach the topic with good faith.

Also, Black women and women who aren't conventionally attractive have always been harassed and classed as non-women. E.g. larger, more simply dressed, working class and so on. They are now less safe.

What on earth are you talking about?

Michelle Obama, Serena Williams, Lady Gaga and many others have all had rumours about them secretly having a penis because they are not conventionally "feminine ".

I agree cis men are threatening and sometimes I have radical separatist thoughts despite knowing a few gentle and good ones.

You think the Supreme Court ruling does this?

Strong argument there, well done 🤣
I am open to any argument with substance if you want to give it another try?

I've been seriously sexually assaulted and also perved at by women, including a bathroom incident at school. A lot of people I know have been assaulted e.g. by female childminders. It's often not as heavily violent as male assault nor can it cause pregnancy but it happens.

I'll only feel safer when there is more concern about addressing violence as such.

I feel less safe seeing the violence with which binaries are being enforced in the name of my rights. Not in my name.

But….. “cis” men were doing that before just by saying I am a woman. And no one was allowed to object then because it was transphobic to question someone’s gender identity. Women are allowed to have beards and penises remember!
So are you just saying you don’t believe anything has changed? The cis men that claimed to be women can now just claim to be transmen? That would be a valid concern if it’s what you believe. But surely you don’t think it’s only bad for these terrible cis men to claim to be transmen rather than transwomen?

Boody hell. If you men's rights activists put half the mental contortions you have into literature we'd have whole new genres. You don't half talk a lot of bollocks. Domestic abusers aren't generally sneaking into ladies loos because they know where they'll get charged.