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Of course women will be safer

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HardyKoala · 20/04/2025 12:11

Following the Supreme Court ruling. I’m flummoxed by the amount of women I considered intelligent friends, posting rubbish about how women are actually no safer and this ruling is just anti-trans. I just don’t understand how intelligent women are coming to this conclusion.

The main argument seems to be that men will be men and will still rape and assault.

Of course they will.

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this. And this did happen, a few examples below.

They will no longer be able to enter women’s changing rooms and film teenage girls naked. They will no longer be able to enter the women’s toilets in Morrisons unchallenged and sexually assault a 10yr old girl. They will no longer be able to be housed in women’s prisons raping vulnerable women in the shower. This will all stop.

Yes, I do understand the negative impact on a few trans women and I feel for them, but why should ALL women put themselves and their daughters at risk for this tiny minority? I just don’t get it. If you’re campaigning for anything, campaign for 3rd spaces surely? But don’t campaign to allow any man the right to enter women’s spaces.

I have no issue with trans people in any way (I know a few) but I just can’t understand this argument that all women should be more at risk. Of course most trans women aren’t a threat. But men pretending to be women for access to women ARE a threat. And this ruling makes it harder for them to rape and assault us.

The amount of friends I’m seeing posting this rubbish has thrown me. I feel like I’m in an a weird alternate reality.

Of course women will be safer
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Annascaul · 20/04/2025 18:25

FebruaryUsername · 20/04/2025 12:32

Women are now going to be put on situations where they have to prove they are biologically female to claim the protections that we are entitled to. For example, several police force have now said that male police officers will strip search trans women (and by extension, any woman they think is trans who doesn't happen to be carrying her birth certificate to prove that she was female at birth).

Are you seriously implying that nobody can tell biological women from trans identifying males?
Come off it 🤦‍♀️

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:24

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2025 18:20

Yes I do think that, because most of the time that's true.

What they look like a man so your just going to report it? With all the plastic surgery etc we have these days. I'm not sure how many trans people you have met, but some of it is really good and no I wouldn't expect them to look like a man or walk in with there penis hanging out.

GooseDays · 20/04/2025 18:23

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Pyjamatimenow · 20/04/2025 18:22

Felinnefine · 20/04/2025 18:18

😂😂😂 you think? Bless. You must be a man. Women know when they see a man. It’s always obvious. for some reason men don’t get that. But there we are.

Agree. I honestly think women have a really good intuition on this. It’s probably some sort of inbuilt survival extinct. Even with those beautiful thai ladyboys you see on the tv I always think they have a quality

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:20

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 18:08

Did you have to before women were told that they could not react if a male person with a transgender identity entered the space?

I think your post may be hyperbolic.

How will you actually know if a transwoman enters a womans space? What will you actually yourself do to make sure this doesn't happen and what official checks do you expect to happen?

TogepiSun · 20/04/2025 18:20

Felinnefine · 20/04/2025 18:18

😂😂😂 you think? Bless. You must be a man. Women know when they see a man. It’s always obvious. for some reason men don’t get that. But there we are.

This is also a common thing on here. Anyone who doesn't agree or think like you must be a man.

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2025 18:20

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:16

Why? Do you think tranwomen look like men in disguise? How are you going to stop them coming in to female spaces without some sort of proof?

Yes I do think that, because most of the time that's true.

GooseDays · 20/04/2025 18:19

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BellissimoGecko · 20/04/2025 18:18

FebruaryUsername · 20/04/2025 12:32

Women are now going to be put on situations where they have to prove they are biologically female to claim the protections that we are entitled to. For example, several police force have now said that male police officers will strip search trans women (and by extension, any woman they think is trans who doesn't happen to be carrying her birth certificate to prove that she was female at birth).

Bollocks. Evidence?

Felinnefine · 20/04/2025 18:18

baddrivers · 20/04/2025 16:47

However men can just say ‘I’m a trans man’ and enter female spaces, this just makes it easier for the actually dangerous men now.

😂😂😂 you think? Bless. You must be a man. Women know when they see a man. It’s always obvious. for some reason men don’t get that. But there we are.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 20/04/2025 18:18

Oh I know. They are clearly just totally captured by the nonsense. I’ve heard some women saying are they going to have to prove their sex now to use a toilet. Well, no, if they never had to before, why they are thinking they might have to now is beyond me.

Also that “c1s” men could now pretend to be trans men to access women’s changing rooms

despite the fact they’ve been telling us for years no man would pretend to be a woman to access a female only Space

Pyjamatimenow · 20/04/2025 18:18

I’m a very tall woman. Tbh I would be hurt if anyone challenged me on entering toilets etc but frankly I’ll take it over the current situation for the sake of the safety of my daughters going forward.
I do feel somewhat that we are living in the upside down and reading social media at the moment is crazy! It’s not unlike that weird uneasy feeling I had when Covid first hit and we went into lockdown, except that was rooted in actual facts and scientific evidence. I’ve got an old childhood friend on instagram who is quite a well regarded scientist, incredibly smart and academic, spouting absolute gibberish!

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:16

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2025 18:08

Why?

Why? Do you think tranwomen look like men in disguise? How are you going to stop them coming in to female spaces without some sort of proof?

Nameychangington · 20/04/2025 18:16

KrisAkabusi · 20/04/2025 17:08

Why is it amazing? Why are you surprised at people discussing people they know on threads about them? Mumsnet has 8 million monthly users according to their own stats. 10 posters is a tiny proportion of those.

Transpeople are 0.5% of the UK population I think it is?

And the average height for a man in the UK is 5'9". So a man 5"4' or under is 5 or more inches shorter than the average.

The average height for a woman in the UK is 5"3'. So 5"10' or taller is at least 7 inches taller than the average.

And yet multiple posters this week know people who are both way outside the average height for their sex, and are also part of the extreme small minority of people who ID as trans, plus are in the even tinier category of transpeople who 'pass' totally as the opposite sex.

You don't think that's amazing? I think it's amazing.

TogepiSun · 20/04/2025 18:14

You've even used too tall as a way of telling a man from a woman FFS!

I remember people using the same argument to insinuate that Daniel Radcliffe's girlfriend was actually a man.

I really don't care about the ruling much, but do think people underestimate how/what other people who aren't them and don't think like them act/think.

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 18:14

Eyesopenwideawake · 20/04/2025 18:10

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this.

So on that basis you would envisage a guard on all women only spaces with the authority to check the genitals of anyone they suspect of not being a woman?

Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't read the full thread.

Did we need them before women and girls were told that they needed to welcome male people with transgender identities into the female single sex spaces?

Or did you just pick up on some extreme transgender activist discussion points and think this was a convincing point for you?

Eyesopenwideawake · 20/04/2025 18:10

But now, they can no longer just assert ‘I am a woman’ and automatically be able to enter women’s spaces unchallenged to do this.

So on that basis you would envisage a guard on all women only spaces with the authority to check the genitals of anyone they suspect of not being a woman?

Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't read the full thread.

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2025 18:08

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:04

I feel like we are now going to have to prove ourselves as women.

Why?

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 18:08

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:04

I feel like we are now going to have to prove ourselves as women.

Did you have to before women were told that they could not react if a male person with a transgender identity entered the space?

I think your post may be hyperbolic.

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 18:06

BoredZelda · 20/04/2025 17:55

This ruling has nothing to do with toilets, or changing rooms etc. This law does not make it impossible for trans people to go into those spaces. This law doesn’t, in itself, protect single sex spaces.

The ruling means that organisations must now re-draft policies to ensure both women and transgender people are included in provision.

The ruling means if you want to hire a woman for a job using the exclusions within the equality act, you don’t have to consider a trans woman for the role.

So many posts on this and people (on both sides) shouting about winning and losing yet it seems so few people actually understand what the ruling is.

The ruling makes it clear that if an organisation wishes to use the exceptions under the EA to designate a space to be single sex, it can. So, yes, it DOES refer to toilets and changing rooms. And yes, a designated single sex space does exclude male people of any identity.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

aCatCalledFawkes · 20/04/2025 18:04

I feel like we are now going to have to prove ourselves as women.

Jumpingthruhoops · 20/04/2025 18:03

Factsandfeelings · 20/04/2025 17:59

Enormous TRA straw man.

99.9% of the time within 10 seconds of looking at a person it’s blindingly obvious if someone is trans.

Yes that includes muscular trans men. There are so many obvious physical characteristics such as skull, hands, limbs, torso.

A butch lesbian or a GNC biological woman is still obviously a women. People spouting about short hair/androgynous clothes are full of shit.

This!! 👏👏

Superhansrantowindsor · 20/04/2025 18:03

My sister got accused of being a bloke once. She just said ‘no I’m not’ and carried on. No drama. She laughed about it. I’d rather someone call me a bloke than plenty of other stuff.
This argument about all these butch women being thrown out of toilets is a really feeble attempt to get rid of single sex spaces. And how way many women are genuinely going to get violent if they see someone in the loo who think is a bloke? All that will be hurt is feelings.

Factsandfeelings · 20/04/2025 18:00

baddrivers · 20/04/2025 12:39

I look forward to women scrutinising other women about looking ‘female enough’ and having trans men in female toilets.

I have zero issues with trans men in women’s toilets, and women do not need to “look woman enough”.

Its obvious when a woman was born a women.

Factsandfeelings · 20/04/2025 17:59

FebruaryUsername · 20/04/2025 12:32

Women are now going to be put on situations where they have to prove they are biologically female to claim the protections that we are entitled to. For example, several police force have now said that male police officers will strip search trans women (and by extension, any woman they think is trans who doesn't happen to be carrying her birth certificate to prove that she was female at birth).

Enormous TRA straw man.

99.9% of the time within 10 seconds of looking at a person it’s blindingly obvious if someone is trans.

Yes that includes muscular trans men. There are so many obvious physical characteristics such as skull, hands, limbs, torso.

A butch lesbian or a GNC biological woman is still obviously a women. People spouting about short hair/androgynous clothes are full of shit.