Of course women will be safer

Its honestly ridiculous

Thanks for starting this thread, OP. People are trying very hard to brush women’s rights and children’s safety back under the carpet, where anything that inconveniences men is meant to be kept.

The post you quote is a good example of their feeble and dishonest arguments. It’s disgusting that people still try to minimise ‘minor’ sexual harassment, such as intruding in women’s spaces.

Many rapists and killers started their criminal careers with indecent exposure or spying on women undressing. Sarah Everard is one of many women who paid with their lives for men having been allowed to get away with lesser offences.

This is just an excuse not to provide single sex facilities to women.

Aside from the fact anyone with half decent eyesight can tell the difference between men and women, do you really think women are confronting men, or who they believe to be men? We fought for what was ALWAYS ours - female only spaces - because we haven’t been able to confront them ourselves.

HOW are women less are? Because the few who look like men may or may not be confronted in toilets?

did you miss the part where women have been getting raped by men who’ve been allowed on their spaces?

And yet somehow for a gazillion years people have been able to tell the difference between men and women

You’ve hugely missed the point. It’s not about men/trans women now. It’s about all women now being at risk of confrontation or worse, because they don’t conform to societal norms of being female presenting (eg short hair, androgynous appearance, masculine build). Women are less safe now. And it’s another way of controlling women’s bodies and keeping them in place.

I can’t see this post? It says content isn’t available.

Nevertheless, men can’t just walk into women’s spaces - or they can but it’s not actually not their right to. They always did anyway it now we can do something about it without being called bigots

Transwomen are men.

You don’t get it - it’s about looking enough like a woman. It’s the OPPOSITE

We don’t give a fuck how much men look like women. They are men ergo they don’t belong in women’s spaces.

I really don’t get what’s so hard to understand

I can’t see it but i can guess what it says

men already did walk in and say they were female (transwoman) and we couldn’t do anything about it

now (and i am guessing this is your ‘point’) a man can walk in and say he is female (transman) and we can report him to staff or security

How is it nonsense? It's true

This kind of stuff is nonsense.

Thankfully the SC leading to the interim guidance is much better and has actual impact.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1AFMf6dTkB/

I thought this was very powerful. Now a man can walk into a ladies space and claim he was biologically female. We haven't made it safer for anyone!

A man abused me. It was my father when I was a very young child. Due to this I have CPTSD, which is triggered in situations where I feel out of control of my body, medical situations are a a good example of this. I need female medical staff for anything gynea related, and yet for this, I have been called a bigot, and told to reframe my trauma. Apparently I have no right to consent to who enters MY body, because a man's gender feelings come before my trauma. Don't even try to tell me it's not men pushing to override a womans consent in situations like this.

It's not all about fucking toilets.

It’s not just about them not being permitted, it’s the fact that some people were actively opening the door and welcoming them in to the detriment of the women the services were set up to cater for. We are not the emotional support animal for these men!

And if they are unhappy about it they can reframe their trauma

You look forward to that, do you? That sounds rather spiteful, are you of the opinion that women need to be punished for being recognised as their own sex class seperate from males?

What other ‘vulnerable’ men shall we invite in to our spaces? How is a man joining a menopause group vulnerable? Or the one (there may be more) that joined a still birth group?

I am more than happy to keep them all out especially the ones who were at Saturdays protests. Did anyone notice Sophie Molly dropped his faux wee girl voice to call women bitches? How girly of him 🙄

this is for the lawmakers to sort out. They allowed a bill to pass that had no coherent definitions and that bill has been used as an excuse to ignore our sex based rights. Take a look at your employers Diversity statements and see if sex is even mentioned. I have seen so nany where sex has been swapped out for gender. Gender is not a PR. The PR is gender reassignment and just means that a person cannot be discriminated at for having a trans identity it doesn’t convey in that person all the rights of the sex they wish to be and in the case of people who claim a non binary identity they do not lose their sex based rights.

A man cannot be treated as a woman for some parts of the EA without giving them access even if inadvertently to others. the whole idea that they can is incoherent.

a man doesn’t have to do anything to claim to be a woman other than to make the claim. I have seen so much whatabouttery this past week to give me motion sickness. What about the TW who has “fully transitioned” is always trotted out? First how would we know? And secondly the vast majority of men who claim a trans identity ( and they don’t actually have to claim to be women even) retain their cock and balls.

This movement is one of the greatest if not the greatest con act in our modern times.

Tell me why this bloke should be allowed in our spaces?

and in case the upload isn’t approved here is a link
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On it goes.

Just thought about this.

we are setting a low bar for hate crimes (looking at someone funny, misgendering, hurting someone’s feelings) - but this does not apply to women. For women there has to be serious harm.

then, we say that there are more incidents for other groups (because reports include a broader spectrum) compared to women. And “we” conveniently forget how much more susceptible women are to actual crime. Then we make transwomen (not biological women) the most vulnerable in society (as they have more hurt feelings and even if women felt bad, it wouldn’t count anyway).

and people are falling for this? Genius.

Ooops I forgot to link to some of this "tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society" who are not at all the "men (who) continue to oppress, abuse and kill women at a shocking rate."

https://terfisaslur.com/

No the men can't 'carry on as they were' because now they're not permitted in our changing rooms, hospitals and rape crisis services.

You know that.

I’m not in-fighting with any women. I’m happy the Supreme Court decided as it did.

If men are apt to be violent or abusive when women say no then it reinforces why we should have single sex spaces.

All eyes on a tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society

What a truly ridiculous description of men

As I say, keep the women in-fighting. The men can carry on as they were. The plan seems to be working nicely by the look of this thread.
All eyes on a tiny, vulnerable, demonised subset of society while men continue to oppress, abuse and kill women at a shocking rate.
We were never safe. We still aren’t safe. But let’s all yell about whether someone looks enough like a women or not. Police women’s appearances a bit more. That will help 🙄

Are you aware that a ‘hate crime’ will be recorded if a person observes stickers they don’t, someone mentions that a man tho identifies as a woman is not actually a woman, ribbons tied to a fence etc.

Some police forces were so keen to dredge up such hate crimes that they advertised on twitter that ‘misgendering’ should be reported as a hate crime.

As a result I think conflating rising ‘hate crime’ figures with actual violence towards trans people is misguided. They remain statistically one of the safest groups in society.

The thing about hate crime stats is that hate crime stats are only collected about hate crimes (which include awful things like looking at people funny) against selected groups of people. See if you can have a guess whether women is one of the groups.