M&S changing rooms

The Equality Act applies to the provision of services.

Shops provide services.

HTH.

If a shop discriminates against female people in access to services they can be subject to legal action under the Equality Act.

Hands. Jawline. Posture. Hips.

(to the tune of Heads, Shoulders, Knees and Toes, naturally.)

The thing is, those pushing an agenda of hate feel like they’ve “won” but in fact all that will happen is that spaces which were previously male/female will now become unisex. Risk to women has always been from men (NOT trans women). Thanks for linking the article, illustrates nicely how the TERFs have just shot all women in the foot…

You can not be ‘good person’ for many reasons. Not all of them specify ‘predatory’. People commit many unlawful acts because they feel justified to in many non-predatory ways – stealing because they have no money, using illegal substances because they don’t believe in legislation, illegally protesting because of belief the means justify the aim. Etc etc.

Men who identify as trans are not the most marginalised at all though.

They are the most cosseted.

They are now pissed off that they have been told that they will no longer receive special treatment. So much so that they decided to go and piss over and deface a statute of Millicent Fawcett, holding placards suggesting they want to kill women who say no to them.

This is the case I was referencing. When I went looking for it I found the above absolute pick and mix of cases that shows it’s not a one off.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605169/amp/teenage-girl-raped-bathroom-male-student-skirt-suing.html

Have you seen the “things that never happen have happened” thread on here? You may need a strong cup of tea to get through it.

Some risks are unnecessary though. Women should not be at risk from males because some men modify their bodies to make them look like women.

I think it is really offensive to compare this to the risk of childbirth.

Males don't HAVE to go into female single sex spaces.

If a man is entering a space clearly marked female only then in my eyes he is predatory. The good men stay out.

Vast majority not predatory. Feeling entitled above the law, yes. Predatory, likely no.

Not when they are just breezing past you in busy places.

Then we have a very serious issue of predatory. men not respecting women's right to single sex spaces.

Women are not responsible for other women who have modified their bodies to look like men.

Your hatred to women really is showing in every post you write.

There is nothing to stop a man - dressed as a man - from using the changing rooms there anyway. I think they may have different changing rooms in the men's department, but nothing to say a woman can't go in there, and vice versa.

Some people really are ridiculous. Including the OP.

Oh please, making spaces mixed sex to appease men who like to dress as women has everything to do with the fact that more male people are entering what used to be women's single sex spaces.

You can't be so stupid to think there is no correlation between the two things.

Why are you siding with men who don't do consent? The majority of women don't want them there but you think women don't matter.

It’s not enforceable in practice.

YABU. All the changing rooms I've ever been to at Marks have been separate cubicles and no specifications of gender anywhere.

Why do trans activists ALWAYS talk about genitalia?

We can tell who the men are without any need for anything like this. it is extremely rare for any man to 'pass'.

I have just been listening to a barrister speak on the toilets and changing rooms issue and it’s made me fairly unconvinced that consumer premises will abide by single sex spaces. They said that they can only do this if the means are ‘proportionate and justifiable’ – that’s a really difficult thing to argue in court (and no one would want to go to court anyway). It is not proportionate or justifiable to argue that women in curtained cubicles or stalls are at risk – even if you think it could happen. Unless it’s running rife in stores around the country with evidence to back it up then it’s likely the protections in discrimination to transpeople will be upheld against disproportionate practical responses.

If a space is marked female only then men do not enter. That is how it is enforced.

This person is female.

They have chosen to modify their body to resemble a man. The picture is pretty good but in real life it would be fairly obvious, especially if they walk or speak.

If this person feels more comfortable in the male spaces they are not a risk to the men who use them.

So this is a really rubbish argument to allow males to be in female single sex spaces.

I appreciate this thread has probably moved on and this has probably been responded to but I know you are not dim.

The issue I have with this is that you don't get to consent on behalf of all women.

A lot of the time they are not locked cubicles. When it comes to bra shopping even if they are what if you need a different size? Do you get fully dressed to alert the person to help you with that?

It just was better the way it was before. You may not be bothered but I am. And you don't get to consent for me.

Get a life

I can't either. You are in a private cubicle.

Coming from someone who clearly doesn’t work in retail!

Part of my duties includes fitting rooms. If men are no longer allowed to staff these areas then the women would be nearly universally stuck there whilst men did everything else. Not to mention women having to do more cleaning of toilets.

But please continue to tell me how you have more experience of retail for women.

What a reach!!
Retail is almost universally staffed by women as it is.