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Suicide rates and being spoken out of existence

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crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 21:59

A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

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Karasis · 19/04/2025 22:33

Women aren't even mentioned in this. Don't even count. Except as "hating" entities getting in the way of trans people.

walliceandme · 19/04/2025 22:33

Rights haven't changed. They been verbally and publicly clarified. Trans people are trans people, not transwomen or transmen, because you can't physically become the opposite gender/sex. It's utterly ridiculous that this even had to go through the court for it to become 'officially' known that transwomen are NOT women. We have been degraded for years and finally our voice has been heard. It's exhausting.

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crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:33

@iheartmysmartThis isn't about women's rights. It's about control, fear, and scapegoating. And ironically, it's going to hurt actual women — including butch and masc-presenting lesbians

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whitewineandsun · 19/04/2025 22:32

myplace · 19/04/2025 22:09

In fact, your OP is classic narcissism. We had to go to court to reclaim our word and YOU are the one struggling?!

Noone tried to deny your right to be trans. No one tried to take your word and apply it to whatever they wanted it to mean. I wouldn’t dream of telling you I know what it means to be trans, that I too am trans, that I need to join your support groups and get your additional equality protections.

That was what you did to us. So stop with the DARVO.

This a million times.

myplace · 19/04/2025 22:32

If your clients are feeling’spoken out of existence’ then I suggest you help them reframe that fear into something more realistic and rational. Indulging it won’t do them any favours at all.

miraxxx · 19/04/2025 22:32

Emotive, manipulative bullshite.

MagpiePi · 19/04/2025 22:31

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:10

@Planetmonster Have you ever spoken to a trans person?

Apparently all the time without even knowing, because no one can ever tell…

LuxuryWoman2020 · 19/04/2025 22:31

OP, if you're a lesbian who truly believes TWAW then presumably you'd be open to a relationship with a Trans woman who still has a fully functioning penis?

People should be free to live how they want, wear what they want and live peacefully. That includes biological women.

Witchymadwoman · 19/04/2025 22:30

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:27

@Snorlaxo Yes
@Witchymadwoman I didn't say legislated I said spoken
@wrongthinker Alright, I’ll ‘behave’ by continuing to be concerned about the suicide rates and mental health of a marginalised group — because that’s my actual lived experience, both as a lesbian and as a therapist who works with the LGBT+ community. If that makes people uncomfortable, they might want to ask themselves why

Your post said “Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence”.

my question stands

skilpadde · 19/04/2025 22:30

Would a real, actual, authentic therapist engage in this irresponsible, contemptible fantasy of increased suicides / suicide ideation, just to use trans people as a weapon and therefore a means of pushing gender ideology?

myplace · 19/04/2025 22:30

A lot of us on here are also supporting gender questioning young people, friends and family members. How presumptive of you to assume we aren’t. We just know that buying into a false ideology doesn’t help them and it certainly doesn’t help anyone else.

user1471538275 · 19/04/2025 22:30

Hyperbolic nonsense with no evidence whatsoever.

Iheartmysmart · 19/04/2025 22:30

Oh FFS, give over. Women have had pretty much everything taken from them due to #BeFuckingKind. Now we finally have some clarity and can start reclaiming what should have always been ours, transwomen are kicking off and having pathetic little mantrums because they’ve finally been told no. Pathetic.

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crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:29

@myplace "strategies" It's not a fucking coaching course!

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myplace · 19/04/2025 22:27

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:20

@Leafstamp What narrative am I pushing, exactly? I’m not. I’m just saying — see the individual, not the movement. Same thing I’d say to a racist: don’t reduce people to a group you’ve decided to fear or hate. Start with basic humanity

Your preconceptions make you a rubbish therapist. How can you help someone when you’re so partial? Women who needed this ruling are not bigots like racists. By making it us or them, you’re perpetuating the problem.

Start giving your clients better strategies instead of expecting the world to reorganise around them.

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crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:27

@Snorlaxo Yes
@Witchymadwoman I didn't say legislated I said spoken
@wrongthinker Alright, I’ll ‘behave’ by continuing to be concerned about the suicide rates and mental health of a marginalised group — because that’s my actual lived experience, both as a lesbian and as a therapist who works with the LGBT+ community. If that makes people uncomfortable, they might want to ask themselves why

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WinterFoxes · 19/04/2025 22:26

OP, I sympathise. But don't understand why transpeople are unhappy with the word transwoman or transman. It's true, unambiguous, and recognises specific needs and rights of this community, instead of obfuscating and redacting women's rights.

SatanicAngel · 19/04/2025 22:22

@crunchynuts12345 If you're a therapist then I'm the fucking easter bunny!

Witchymadwoman · 19/04/2025 22:22

Gender reassignment continues to be a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. The law on sex discrimination was established in 1975 and rolled into the Equality Act in 2010. The recent Supreme Court judgement clarified the definition of sex for the purposes of the EA, and this has not changed since 1975.

With this in mind could you tell us precisely what makes you feel legislated out of existence?

wrongthinker · 19/04/2025 22:22

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:16

I’d just say — try to see the individual. I know emotions are high, but the vitriol is a bit ugly.

Forget 'the movement', the crowd, there is probably not an agenda. Just a person, with a life, and fears, and relationships, and a story you probably haven’t heard yet. That’s where empathy starts

Oh behave.

Snorlaxo · 19/04/2025 22:22

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:16

I’d just say — try to see the individual. I know emotions are high, but the vitriol is a bit ugly.

Forget 'the movement', the crowd, there is probably not an agenda. Just a person, with a life, and fears, and relationships, and a story you probably haven’t heard yet. That’s where empathy starts

Of course there’s an agenda and people are making money and grooming children as part of it. Wake up

BundleBoogie · 19/04/2025 22:21

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 21:59

A lot of transwomen / people unfortunately won't survive this. Feeling like you're being legislated or spoken out of existence, especially when you're already part of a group at such high risk for mental health struggles and suicide, is devastating. It’s not just policy or rhetoric — it’s lived impact. Much like the way the awful section 28 law impacted gays - every time identity is debated like it’s theoretical or optional, it chips away at a person's sense of worth. It's so sad. You’re not welcome, not valid, not safe — can hit deep

Stop telling vulnerable people they are at risk of suicide - that is against all guidelines on the topic.

Nobody is being ‘legislated out of existence’ that is utterly nonsensical and another lie designed to further rile up these vulnerable people.

The law hasn’t changed. We could always exclude male people from female only spaces, it was just lies from trans activists that muddied the water.

Funny how you are not celebrating the win for ‘transmen’ with a GRC - if the ruling had gone the other way they would have lost all Maternity and Abortion rights. You do understand that the ‘trans community’ does not just consist of men who wish they were women?? Do you?

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crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:20

@Leafstamp What narrative am I pushing, exactly? I’m not. I’m just saying — see the individual, not the movement. Same thing I’d say to a racist: don’t reduce people to a group you’ve decided to fear or hate. Start with basic humanity

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Snorlaxo · 19/04/2025 22:20

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:11

@SatanicAngel You’re telling me to fuck off because I’m worried people will take their own lives over this? That says a lot. What exactly are you afraid of? I genuinely don’t get it. For the record, I’m a woman — a big, raging lesbian and a therapist who actually works with people affected by this kind of hate. So yeah, I care. A lot

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Do you believe that transwomen can be lesbians?

SatanicAngel · 19/04/2025 22:20

crunchynuts12345 · 19/04/2025 22:16

I’d just say — try to see the individual. I know emotions are high, but the vitriol is a bit ugly.

Forget 'the movement', the crowd, there is probably not an agenda. Just a person, with a life, and fears, and relationships, and a story you probably haven’t heard yet. That’s where empathy starts

You know what, you're right!

Let's think of all those individual women out there whose lives have been upended by TRAs.

Women who've been assaulted, vilified, sacked, abused, sent rape and death threats. Women who have had to fight for their right to get undressed without a fucking perverted man present!

Let's think of all those brave, wonderful fucking women!