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To think you should never cohabit with a man unless he’s paying the majority of the bills?

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ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

OP posts:
0ohLarLar · 19/04/2025 22:01

Hahahaha wtf is "masculine provider energy"

I earn fucking loads, what am I supposed to do with all my money if I don't tip up my half of the bills?!

There is no "room mate dynamic" in my house. Two adults, parents, who are both confident and happy to share responsibilities.

Greyexpectations · 19/04/2025 21:56

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:07

I’d raise both sons and daughters to understand their value and to build lives rooted in intention, not default settings. If I had daughters, I’d encourage them to explore their gifts, pursue meaningful work if they want to, and never apologise for wanting to prioritise family, feminine energy or softness, if that’s what fulfils them.
If I had sons, I’d absolutely teach them life skills, emotional intelligence, and leadership - not just financial responsibility but the character to protect and provide emotionally too. I don’t believe in raising one-dimensional people - I believe in raising people who can lead and love with purpose.

Can someone post a dictionary?

Wtf is ‘building a life in intention’?

How does one lead without purpose? Are you referring to by to Trump?

And love with purpose. wtf does that mean?

Explore their gifts? What is this utter drivel??!

Greyexpectations · 19/04/2025 21:53

legsekeven · 19/04/2025 15:10

let me sum up your argument
you want a rich man to pay the bills and you will fawn over him and make him feel special and remember all his family’s birthday’s

She’s selling the ‘girlfriend experience’.

We all know what kind of men like to buy that sort of thing - I wouldn’t suggest marrying one.

Serpentstooth · 19/04/2025 21:48

Stepford is that way OP 👉

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:45

IVFmumoftwo · 19/04/2025 21:36

What's wrong with IVF?

I personally wouldn’t have it, it’s not for me for my own personal beliefs.

Greyexpectations · 19/04/2025 21:45

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:57

Honestly? It sounds like you’ve already found a rhythm that works and that’s the goal. My point isn’t that women never contribute equally or that men always pay more - it’s that in many relationships, the split looks equal on paper but isn’t in practice. Emotional load, relationship maintenance and caregiving often go unseen and unmeasured.

If you and your partner have genuinely shared responsibilities and mutual respect, the financial dynamic should reflect what makes both of you feel secure, supported, and valued - not just what looks mathematically “even.” That might be 50/50, 70/30, or something else entirely. For me, that includes masculine financial leadership but I respect that every couple defines balance differently.

It’s hard to wade through the utter wank you’re writing, but I think you are (badly) expressing that when women are taking on more of one type of responsibility (in your example, emotional labour / mental load), men should take on more of another (finances).

Yes, that’s something most women won’t argue with - splits don’t have to be 50/50 on everything, just as long as it’s 50/50 overall.

Where you are going wrong (beyond the bullshit TikTok therapy speak) is suggesting that there is a natural connection between men and providing, women and emotional labour.

None of that is natural, it’s entrenched gender stereotyping born from a patriarchal society we have been fighting for many years to dismantle.

Unfortunately, one of the side effects of fighting for choice for women, is that some dimwits choose to uphold the patriarchy.

Sighingly, I accept this is your right.

But don’t come on to a (mostly) feminist forum and start spouting your nonsense like a Temu trad wife and suggesting you’ve hit a nerve because it’s true - you’ve hit a nerve because you are annoying AF.

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:42

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 21:24

Thanks for being so honest, it can be hard on here when people will jump on you.

It sounds like this is very much about your aspirations and personality, and your own family's choices about how to split the responsibilities of having a family and raising children.

I am completely on board with that.

I do have an issue with the OP telling me that this is the natural order of things and what everyone should be doing. I am also a firm believer that what is being described as feminine traits are a result of social conditioning not biological differences and so I do struggle a bit with the idea of women being divine. I think whoever the primary carer is will be more tuned in to the children's needs and emotionally connected, regardless of sex.

No problem, I get that with my username many people might wonder the same.

Yes I appreciate that many people feel like you do, and there will be many who also feel like the OP.

My personal belief is more aligned with the OP but I very much think each to their own and I get we are all so different.

At the end of the day, it’s important that whoever your partner is shares the same values as you do - what everyone else thinks is irrelevant really, provided that you’re not hurting anyone.

IVFmumoftwo · 19/04/2025 21:36

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:07

I do understand but everyone has different priorities and we should respect them.

I would never have ivf for example, so if it transpired that I couldn’t conceive naturally and my husband really wanted kids - I would not have ivf - I would also understand if that meant he wanted to find someone else.

I just don’t understand why people are so concerned about other peoples dynamics are?

What's wrong with IVF?

ZoeCM · 19/04/2025 21:31

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:07

I’d raise both sons and daughters to understand their value and to build lives rooted in intention, not default settings. If I had daughters, I’d encourage them to explore their gifts, pursue meaningful work if they want to, and never apologise for wanting to prioritise family, feminine energy or softness, if that’s what fulfils them.
If I had sons, I’d absolutely teach them life skills, emotional intelligence, and leadership - not just financial responsibility but the character to protect and provide emotionally too. I don’t believe in raising one-dimensional people - I believe in raising people who can lead and love with purpose.

How would you feel if your children grew up to be gay or lesbian?

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 21:24

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:16

That’s a good question and maybe there is some truth in that it makes it easier to navigate now I’m unwell, yes.

I also very much know that as my kids approach their teenage years it’s going to be very challenging! I have been in therapy and slowly getting better so hopefully that will continue as I get I will need to let go a lot.

It’s also true that since I was a teenager I always knew I wanted to be a mum. I could never understand the desire to try and excel in a career and really just wanted to raise babies and be a housewife! So much so that when I met my husband I was very clear about what I wanted. I wouldn’t have settled down with a man who didn’t share those same values.

I feel very fortunate to be able to stay at home doing what I love, and also it does feel safer for me yes, now juggling ocd.

For what it’s worth, I was a very wild teenager without ocd when I met my husband so it wasn’t like I was scared to go out etc or leave the house (I’m not like that now either). I just always wanted to be a SAHM even before ocd.

Thanks for being so honest, it can be hard on here when people will jump on you.

It sounds like this is very much about your aspirations and personality, and your own family's choices about how to split the responsibilities of having a family and raising children.

I am completely on board with that.

I do have an issue with the OP telling me that this is the natural order of things and what everyone should be doing. I am also a firm believer that what is being described as feminine traits are a result of social conditioning not biological differences and so I do struggle a bit with the idea of women being divine. I think whoever the primary carer is will be more tuned in to the children's needs and emotionally connected, regardless of sex.

JHound · 19/04/2025 21:21

People really love to come on the internet and spout any old nonsense.

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:18

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 21:11

I can't understand how you would choose a person to spend the rest of your life with, but with caveats before you even get there. Such as if you're unable to provide me with children despite both wanting them, or you can no longer provide financially, then sorry but my vows meant nothing?

Deception or deliberate mistreatment are different. But do people genuinely not choose the person?

I get it, but we don’t have to understand everything / everyone.

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:16

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 21:10

I hope you don't mind me picking up in your user name, but if you suffer with OCD, do you feel that is some of the reason why you feel more at peace at home, where you can control your environment a lot more?

I would be prepared for the teen years coming as a shock when you have to let go a bit.

I would also worry that hiding away at home is putting a sticky plaster over what is a really life limiting condition.

I am not trying to pry, but I assume from including your diagnosis in your user name you are open to discussion around it?

That’s a good question and maybe there is some truth in that it makes it easier to navigate now I’m unwell, yes.

I also very much know that as my kids approach their teenage years it’s going to be very challenging! I have been in therapy and slowly getting better so hopefully that will continue as I get I will need to let go a lot.

It’s also true that since I was a teenager I always knew I wanted to be a mum. I could never understand the desire to try and excel in a career and really just wanted to raise babies and be a housewife! So much so that when I met my husband I was very clear about what I wanted. I wouldn’t have settled down with a man who didn’t share those same values.

I feel very fortunate to be able to stay at home doing what I love, and also it does feel safer for me yes, now juggling ocd.

For what it’s worth, I was a very wild teenager without ocd when I met my husband so it wasn’t like I was scared to go out etc or leave the house (I’m not like that now either). I just always wanted to be a SAHM even before ocd.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 21:11

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:07

I do understand but everyone has different priorities and we should respect them.

I would never have ivf for example, so if it transpired that I couldn’t conceive naturally and my husband really wanted kids - I would not have ivf - I would also understand if that meant he wanted to find someone else.

I just don’t understand why people are so concerned about other peoples dynamics are?

I can't understand how you would choose a person to spend the rest of your life with, but with caveats before you even get there. Such as if you're unable to provide me with children despite both wanting them, or you can no longer provide financially, then sorry but my vows meant nothing?

Deception or deliberate mistreatment are different. But do people genuinely not choose the person?

CleverButScatty · 19/04/2025 21:10

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 20:14

That’s good for you.

I love being with my children and I love supporting my husband and family in the way feels most natural to me

I hope you don't mind me picking up in your user name, but if you suffer with OCD, do you feel that is some of the reason why you feel more at peace at home, where you can control your environment a lot more?

I would be prepared for the teen years coming as a shock when you have to let go a bit.

I would also worry that hiding away at home is putting a sticky plaster over what is a really life limiting condition.

I am not trying to pry, but I assume from including your diagnosis in your user name you are open to discussion around it?

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:07

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 20:43

But to say you wouldn't marry someone with performance issues because you want children is very different to knowing it was absolutely impossible. An impotent man might be fertile and with treatment could father children.

A man with no performance issues may never be able to father children. But who knows til he tries?

A woman who is specifically looking for someone to father their children may end up being unable to conceive or carry to term.

These aren't things you know til you try. And most people won't try til they're married. Especially very religious people.

I do understand but everyone has different priorities and we should respect them.

I would never have ivf for example, so if it transpired that I couldn’t conceive naturally and my husband really wanted kids - I would not have ivf - I would also understand if that meant he wanted to find someone else.

I just don’t understand why people are so concerned about other peoples dynamics are?

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 21:04

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 20:46

I’d never be resentful of DH if he hadn’t been able to give me children. He’s not a sperm donor. Our relationship is stronger than that.

Me neither but I do understand everyone is different!

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 21:00

FatimasBakery · 19/04/2025 20:59

He'd be well within his rights to if he wanted to. If I was physically unable to have intimacy due to health issues I'd understand even more.

Doesn’t sound like a marriage - just an arrangement of convenience

FatimasBakery · 19/04/2025 20:59

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 20:49

A good marriage is supporting each other through the good and bad times. Having a family and a good sex life is only part of a loving relationship.
If you’d were unable to have children, would he leave you?

He'd be well within his rights to if he wanted to. If I was physically unable to have intimacy due to health issues I'd understand even more.

BunnyLake · 19/04/2025 20:57

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:07

I’d raise both sons and daughters to understand their value and to build lives rooted in intention, not default settings. If I had daughters, I’d encourage them to explore their gifts, pursue meaningful work if they want to, and never apologise for wanting to prioritise family, feminine energy or softness, if that’s what fulfils them.
If I had sons, I’d absolutely teach them life skills, emotional intelligence, and leadership - not just financial responsibility but the character to protect and provide emotionally too. I don’t believe in raising one-dimensional people - I believe in raising people who can lead and love with purpose.

So you haven’t got kids and it sounds like you’re not currently in a relationship.

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 20:49

FatimasBakery · 19/04/2025 20:44

If he lost his job I'd support him in this job search to find a new job. If he had ED I'd support him with curing the ailment.

But should I stay married if he never ever got a job again? If he was unable to ever have sex with me, should I stay in a sexless marriage?

A good marriage is supporting each other through the good and bad times. Having a family and a good sex life is only part of a loving relationship.
If you’d were unable to have children, would he leave you?

BunnyLake · 19/04/2025 20:46

ZoeCM · 19/04/2025 20:40

OP, are you that poster who proudly announced that she sits on the floor while her husband sits on the sofa so that he can feel "above" her?

😵‍💫

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 20:46

AnxiousOCDMum · 19/04/2025 20:35

It’s perfectly reasonable though for either man or woman to want biological children more than stay in a relationship with someone who can’t give them that. I would rather my husband leave if that was our situation than stay and be resentful. Depends what their priorities are.

I’d never be resentful of DH if he hadn’t been able to give me children. He’s not a sperm donor. Our relationship is stronger than that.

FatimasBakery · 19/04/2025 20:44

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 20:29

How sad - he could loose his job after your marriage or become impotent through illness. Would you not support him financially and emotionally?

If he lost his job I'd support him in this job search to find a new job. If he had ED I'd support him with curing the ailment.

But should I stay married if he never ever got a job again? If he was unable to ever have sex with me, should I stay in a sexless marriage?

BunnyLake · 19/04/2025 20:44

MyUmberSeal · 19/04/2025 17:49

But as it goes, apparently Melania Trump is miserable as fuck and they have very little to do with each other beyond what the world sees. Could all be journalistic nonsense of course, and she could be deliriously happy that the energy isn’t being split, however, I suspect not. 😂🤣

Well exactly. She can barely hide her contempt. The man providing the bulk of the money doesn’t make someone love him more or make him loveable. Being emotionally available and supportive can make a man loveable. It seems to me that OP is willing to sacrifice a man being emotionally intelligent as long as he compensates by paying the bills.