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To think you should never cohabit with a man unless he’s paying the majority of the bills?

685 replies

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

OP posts:
MerlinsBeard1 · 23/04/2025 11:24

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 15:58

You might find your husband made less mess if he knew he was responsible for cleaning it up...

Do you fancy anymore stabs in the dark while we are at it. My DH isn't a messy person for a start.

MerlinsBeard1 · 23/04/2025 11:22

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 15:57

I think the point is you don't have 50% of the independence over your life if the relationship fails.

Your financial Wellbeing is entirely dependent on him wanting to remain in the relationship. His is entirely within his own control.

I'm not judging this, it seems to work for lots of people. But you are only equal so long as he agrees to this situation continuing.

Even if you are married, you can only get half of the assets to this point, if you have sacrificed your earning potential you will still be hit far harder than him.

I know you won't see yourself getting divorced (but not many people do until it happens to them).

'I think the point is you don't have 50% of the independence over your life if the relationship fails.' I do. I am a homeowner in my own right.

'Even if you are married, you can only get half of the assets to this point, if you have sacrificed your earning potential you will still be hit far harder than him.' This is the same for anyone getting divorced. I'd argue the person getting 'hit harder' is the one who has amassed the wealth not the one getting half of it....

JHound · 23/04/2025 00:45

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 10:59

There aren't a lot of men on this thread, hence me referencing the other female pp.

'A lot of people don’t count non-financial contributions to a relationship.'

What does that even mean? Only monetary contributions are actual contributions in a relationship? What a miserable outlook. Can't say I know anyone who thinks this way let alone 'a lot of people.'

It’s loads of people. It’s why “50/50” always refers to finances. Dumb but that’s what it is.

WhyCantIGetItTogether · 22/04/2025 22:35

Liz1tummypain · 22/04/2025 20:41

That's a harsh thing to say to someone who shows up emotionally to lead on the invisible labour dynamic like remembering birthdays and opening the fridge door sometimes.

🤣🤣🤣. I’m enjoying this thread more than I should.

WhyCantIGetItTogether · 22/04/2025 22:33

Switcher · 19/04/2025 17:30

Tradwife blog looking for outrage farming?

Tradwife blog/outrage farming. It’d be perfect if it were a paid position for OP.

Liz1tummypain · 22/04/2025 20:41

Miaowzabella · 19/04/2025 14:46

Does your husband know you are playing on his computer?

That's a harsh thing to say to someone who shows up emotionally to lead on the invisible labour dynamic like remembering birthdays and opening the fridge door sometimes.

WhyCantIGetItTogether · 22/04/2025 18:47

WeHaveTheRabbit · 19/04/2025 17:24

Vladimir Nabokov's instructions to his students before exams: "Do not pad ignorance with eloquence." Good advice that you may wish to take to heart, OP. You may believe that by using words like "polarity" and "provision" (neither of which mean what you seem to think they mean) you can convince people you are expressing profound ideas. But in reality, you simply show that you haven't the faintest notion about healthy relationships and your woolly language can't hide that.

Great post, WeHaveTheRabbit.

👏👏👏👏👏

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 22/04/2025 18:11

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 17:38

He would be quite unusual

My dad would too.

In the same way that not all women are desperate to be mothers, not all men are only career focused.

People generalise. But they don't actually ever ask people what they'd rather do.

FatimasBakery · 22/04/2025 17:39

Uricon2 · 22/04/2025 17:12

You keep saying that @FatimasBakery and I know that's how it's supposed to work in Islam. However, for huge numbers of women, including Muslim women, it doesn't happen that way, for all kinds of reasons, not least the difficulty of surviving on one income in the current climate.

Which is why before I got married I made this a condition.

SouthLondonMum22 · 22/04/2025 17:39

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

With two people do it, it doesn't take long at all. We also make sure we keep on top of things too, we don't just leave it and then do it all in one go because that might swallow up the weekend.

We don't have a cleaner but that's what we'd do if we felt like it was taking up the weekend.

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 17:38

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 22/04/2025 16:28

My DH would if we could afford to live on one salary and it made sense for that to be mine (FT and with a few years of pushing I'd be the higher earner anyway).

Some men are content with being in whatever role for the family it is. Much like some women.

He would be quite unusual

Uricon2 · 22/04/2025 17:12

FatimasBakery · 22/04/2025 16:39

I have a job and I get to keep all the money.

You keep saying that @FatimasBakery and I know that's how it's supposed to work in Islam. However, for huge numbers of women, including Muslim women, it doesn't happen that way, for all kinds of reasons, not least the difficulty of surviving on one income in the current climate.

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 22/04/2025 16:44

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

Are you saying those who work can’t keep their houses properly clean?

that it’s a full time job to keep on top of it all to an adequate standard?

FatimasBakery · 22/04/2025 16:39

I have a job and I get to keep all the money.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 22/04/2025 16:28

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 16:21

I think a lot of people (male and female) would lose their sanity, particularly if well educated and used to a mentally stimulating career, to basically become a cleaner (even if it is in their own home).
That's not to say there is anything wrong with it if you don't feel like that.
I wonder how your husband would feel about spending his entire life cleaning up after you all, would he accept this as his 'role' if it was for the greater good of the family? I'd be surprised...

My DH would if we could afford to live on one salary and it made sense for that to be mine (FT and with a few years of pushing I'd be the higher earner anyway).

Some men are content with being in whatever role for the family it is. Much like some women.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 22/04/2025 16:26

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 15:57

I think the point is you don't have 50% of the independence over your life if the relationship fails.

Your financial Wellbeing is entirely dependent on him wanting to remain in the relationship. His is entirely within his own control.

I'm not judging this, it seems to work for lots of people. But you are only equal so long as he agrees to this situation continuing.

Even if you are married, you can only get half of the assets to this point, if you have sacrificed your earning potential you will still be hit far harder than him.

I know you won't see yourself getting divorced (but not many people do until it happens to them).

I don't contribute 50% of the finances to the household, but I do work and could support myself and DD if needs be.

Not contributing 50% financially doesn't mean you won't be independent if necessary. Contributing 0% maybe, but financial independence doesn't have to mean that you put exactly the same into the pot as your spouse.

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 16:21

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

I think a lot of people (male and female) would lose their sanity, particularly if well educated and used to a mentally stimulating career, to basically become a cleaner (even if it is in their own home).
That's not to say there is anything wrong with it if you don't feel like that.
I wonder how your husband would feel about spending his entire life cleaning up after you all, would he accept this as his 'role' if it was for the greater good of the family? I'd be surprised...

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 15:58

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

You might find your husband made less mess if he knew he was responsible for cleaning it up...

CleverButScatty · 22/04/2025 15:57

MerlinsBeard1 · 21/04/2025 13:31

It's interesting how so many women equate 50/50 to monetary values. I consider my relationship 50/50 and I don't contribute financially at all.

I think the point is you don't have 50% of the independence over your life if the relationship fails.

Your financial Wellbeing is entirely dependent on him wanting to remain in the relationship. His is entirely within his own control.

I'm not judging this, it seems to work for lots of people. But you are only equal so long as he agrees to this situation continuing.

Even if you are married, you can only get half of the assets to this point, if you have sacrificed your earning potential you will still be hit far harder than him.

I know you won't see yourself getting divorced (but not many people do until it happens to them).

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 15:20

Parker231 · 22/04/2025 12:53

We outsourced cleaning, laundry, changing the beds etc to our amazing cleaner who became a housekeeper for us where she put away the online shopping order, did batch cooking, organised the gardener, handyman etc. kept our evenings and weekends free.

I don't suppose many couples can afford to pay for this level of help.
I could get a cleaner in fact my DH brought this topic up recently, but I don't want to pay someone to do these tasks when I can do them myself, particularly as I'm not employed so feel it would be exceptionally lazy of me. I also hate the idea of 'staff' in the house, though I do have a gardener who helps out. My DH is the handyman when the need arises and the idea of someone changing my bedsheets is waaaay too intimate for my liking.

Parker231 · 22/04/2025 12:53

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

We outsourced cleaning, laundry, changing the beds etc to our amazing cleaner who became a housekeeper for us where she put away the online shopping order, did batch cooking, organised the gardener, handyman etc. kept our evenings and weekends free.

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 12:22

SouthLondonMum22 · 22/04/2025 12:07

Our weekends aren't swallowed up with chores at all. I suppose it depends on how you do it but with both of us chipping in and it not all left to one person, it really doesn't take long.

Both of us sharing all of the load, both running the house and financially, feels the most balanced and equal for us.

I guess it depends on the house and the standards. It certainly takes me more than a few hours to properly clean the house including bathrooms, windows, mopping of floors, laundering clothes and bedsheets, gardening etc. Not something we could do in a weekend nor want to spend the weekend doing.

SouthLondonMum22 · 22/04/2025 12:07

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 11:05

I do the house, DH does the money. Different but both valuable contributions to running our household happily. If I had to work he would have to do half the house along with me and weekends would be swallowed up with domestic chores before Monday rolled around again. I've been there and done it, it's not for us.

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Our weekends aren't swallowed up with chores at all. I suppose it depends on how you do it but with both of us chipping in and it not all left to one person, it really doesn't take long.

Both of us sharing all of the load, both running the house and financially, feels the most balanced and equal for us.

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 11:10

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 21/04/2025 15:10

I think that's the point many PPs are trying to make. An equal 50/50 relationship doesn't mean paying 50/50 on all the bills.

Precisely. How many women come on here complaining about equally splitting the bills whilst getting no help with housework or childcare. 50/50 is about effort put in IMO. I'd wager my relationship is more 'equal' than a lot of women who are paying the bills.

FatimasBakery · 22/04/2025 11:06

MerlinsBeard1 · 22/04/2025 11:05

I do the house, DH does the money. Different but both valuable contributions to running our household happily. If I had to work he would have to do half the house along with me and weekends would be swallowed up with domestic chores before Monday rolled around again. I've been there and done it, it's not for us.

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Same.