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To think you should never cohabit with a man unless he’s paying the majority of the bills?

685 replies

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

OP posts:
Charlize43 · 19/04/2025 15:19

Have you thought of living in the Middle East?

You might have a better chance of finding your financial arrangement love out there.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:19

RunningJo · 19/04/2025 14:48

“Some of us value traditional masculine provision “

What in the name of 1950’s is this even supposed to mean ?!

It means I value a dynamic where both partners bring different strengths - not identical roles but complimentary ones. For me, that includes masculine provision: stability, initiative and protection. In return, I bring emotional grounding, care, and support. That may sound outdated to some but for plenty of women, it’s not about the 1950s. It’s about alignment in 2025.

Everyone’s free to choose what works for them. I’ve simply chosen not to split bills with someone I’m also supposed to build a life with. That’s not regression, it’s discernment.

OP posts:
moose17 · 19/04/2025 15:19

Talking about Masculine energy is super big at the moment in the states on some of the most sexist and outrageous podcast’s of men who think women are just for making babies, cooking and cleaning If that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know I don’t think MN will be much help. And also the birth rate is dropping in many countries so that speaks volumes in itself in my opinion.

Liz1tummypain · 19/04/2025 15:18

I'm not sure I follow what " emotional labour " involves but I know I'm very lacking in
tact and empathy and there's no way in hell I'd want to be in charge of the emotional labour in my marriage. Not up my street at all. My husband is probably doing this job..

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 15:18

intrepidpanda · 19/04/2025 15:15

To be fair on OP. Many women here screaming we are equal but many threads on MN give a different story.
Too often women pay half the bills, but do 70% housework, 90% childcare and 100% life admin
So with OP at least she has her role and he has his. Possibly more equally split than most here

Well don’t do the majority of the housework, childcare and life admin - I never have as I’m in a positive relationship with respect and support.

ilovesooty · 19/04/2025 15:18

Crazybaby123 · 19/04/2025 15:16

You are with the wrong man if you have to do twice the emotional work.
It basically sounds like you either only know, or have only ever met absolute dick heads.
Or you are a 15 year old boy who has watched too much spcial media.
Adults don't need to live in energys and auras.

No, she's apparently had partners who met her standards, but they seem not to have stuck around.

VeraWangTea · 19/04/2025 15:18

Masculine financial leadership????

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That is not a lesson I’m teaching my DD.

This approach leads to women who are suffering from DA being stuck. It’s the most dangerous approach to have. Earn to your best ability, be as financially independent as possible. Men need to be 50:50 with all the other bits.

WaryHiker · 19/04/2025 15:17

Uricon2 · 19/04/2025 14:00

I'm increasingly thinking lately that we're on the Gilead version of Mumsnet, so much antiquated, antifeminist crap.

Agreed. If not exactly the darkest, we're certainly living in the stupidest timeline at the moment.

ilovesooty · 19/04/2025 15:17

lead and love with purpose 🙄

Sounds like some of that influencer shit.

Crazybaby123 · 19/04/2025 15:16

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:52

Financial leadership just means a partner who takes initiative in providing stability, structure and support - not someone who expects their partner to carry half the load while doing twice the emotional work. Some of us value that and there’s nothing wild about it.

You are with the wrong man if you have to do twice the emotional work.
It basically sounds like you either only know, or have only ever met absolute dick heads.
Or you are a 15 year old boy who has watched too much spcial media.
Adults don't need to live in energys and auras.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:15

Miaowzabella · 19/04/2025 14:46

Does your husband know you are playing on his computer?

I don’t need anyone’s permission to have opinions, standards, or wi-fi - but thanks for the concern.

OP posts:
Parker231 · 19/04/2025 15:15

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:10

Not quite. I want a relationship built on polarity and mutual respect, not outdated stereotypes.

Wanting masculine financial leadership doesn’t mean I’m trying to cosplay a 1950s housewife - it means I value structure, protection and emotional balance in a relationship. And just like I’m not forcing anyone else to live that way, I’m not interested in justifying it either. It’s a dynamic that works for me and plenty of women like me.

What happens if the woman earns more than the man - you still want him paying the majority of the bills?

intrepidpanda · 19/04/2025 15:15

To be fair on OP. Many women here screaming we are equal but many threads on MN give a different story.
Too often women pay half the bills, but do 70% housework, 90% childcare and 100% life admin
So with OP at least she has her role and he has his. Possibly more equally split than most here

PowderMonkeys · 19/04/2025 15:15

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:14

I actually agree - women can earn more and still feel safe, supported and feminine in a relationship. The key word is alignment.

What I shared wasn’t a blanket rule for everyone but a boundary for myself: I wouldn’t choose to cohabit unless the man was willing to lead financially. That doesn’t mean I think love only exists through money - it means I value clear polarity in my relationships. That works for me and plenty of others, even if it’s not everyone’s vibe.

We’re allowed different standards. That’s not the issue. The issue is when one standard gets mocked simply because it’s not the norm.

It gets mocked because it’s ridiculous.

arethereanyleftatall · 19/04/2025 15:14

I think your thought process stems from a very low opinion of men op. And I am normally not one to jump to men’s defence. You don’t seem to think them capable of many things women do. And that working for money is the ONLY thing they’re capable of. The only thing that points to is that you’ve never met a good man.

Sheeparelooseagain · 19/04/2025 15:14

I'm not into Gilead.

Dery · 19/04/2025 15:14

@ThisSereneSnail - are there children involved in your thinking, OP? I completely get why someone might be an SAHP.

But if not, I don’t particularly see why someone else should financially support you and provide you with a home just because you provide them with emotional support. Money to live on is not a nice to have; it’s essential.

DH and I both work outside the home. We both contribute to the household finances, running the home and raising our family. I hugely value my financial independence.

Your thinking seems pretty childish to me. Frankly, the vast majority of women can provide emotional support. We’re pretty good at that. Most of us don’t think it’s a substitute for earning our own living and being financially independent. You’re not offering anything particularly special as far as I can see, and that makes you very vulnerable.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:14

DefinitelyMaybe92 · 19/04/2025 14:45

I just, like, lowkey think that, like, the vibe is off here… Women can earn more than men and still be in a happy and healthy relationship. They can have more assets than men and be in their “feminine energy”… or whatever you want to call it. It’s shocking, but you can actually support, honour and show appreciation to loved ones in ways other than showering them with money/funding them. Sure, do whatever makes you happy, that’s one thing - but when it comes to the very blanket statement “AIBU to think you should NEVER live with a man unless he pays for everything?”… yes. Yes, you are.

I actually agree - women can earn more and still feel safe, supported and feminine in a relationship. The key word is alignment.

What I shared wasn’t a blanket rule for everyone but a boundary for myself: I wouldn’t choose to cohabit unless the man was willing to lead financially. That doesn’t mean I think love only exists through money - it means I value clear polarity in my relationships. That works for me and plenty of others, even if it’s not everyone’s vibe.

We’re allowed different standards. That’s not the issue. The issue is when one standard gets mocked simply because it’s not the norm.

OP posts:
Floatlikeafeather2 · 19/04/2025 15:13

It just seems to me, OP, that you have only met inept and inadequate men and I feel sorry for you if you are in a relationship with one. Or are you saying that all of us who are in relationships with men who (amazingly) can not only remember them but remind us of birthdays coming up, are tuned in to whether we are happy or not, listen to our problems, in other words pull their weight emotionally, just haven't met a Real Man yet?

Parker231 · 19/04/2025 15:13

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

Edited

We’re no longer in the 1950’s (thank goodness) - we now have equality. When DH and I moved in together we adopted the approach of paying in relation to our income with the same personal money - because we are a couple. We’ve followed the same approach very happily for 30 years.

legsekeven · 19/04/2025 15:12

Agix · 19/04/2025 15:11

Don't really agree with OP, but it does surprise me how many apparently committed, serious relationships on mumsnet - even marriages - are splitting things 50/50. And it seems those men continue to want to split things 50/50 whilst their wife is on maternity with their new baby. Etc. It's not very "we're a team" like.

Me and my partner don't split things 50/50 anymore. We don't keep tabs like that, neither of us cared to. He pays for stuff, I pay for stuff.

We initially did a split when we were first together, but neither of us wanted to be tit for tat or cared about 50/50 or keeping track.

He's ended up taking on the bulk of the bills because he gets paid more and so he just did. It just happened. I did ask him if he's happy doing that, he is. We discuss finances, but it's always just "our money" now.

Edited

I think when must say 50/50 they mean all the money in one pot.

obsessedwithfreshbread · 19/04/2025 15:12

AngelicKaty · 19/04/2025 15:03

I have standards and self-respect and I don't know why you're implying that those of us (the overwhelming majority, BTW) who don't agree with you, don't.
So, presumably your DH (or DP) agrees with your view of your relationship? How long have you been together?

i would assume she’s single! 😂

ilovesooty · 19/04/2025 15:11

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:00

I’ve had partners who naturally show up that way and funnily enough, they didn’t see it as being a mug, just as being a man who values what I bring and leads with what he brings. Not every dynamic has to make sense to you for it to be real - just like not every woman wants to split bills, emotional load, and the mental gymnastics of pretending that’s balance. It’s not fantasy. It’s just a different standard - one I stand by.

Why didn't they stay with you then?

Agix · 19/04/2025 15:11

Don't really agree with OP, but it does surprise me how many apparently committed, serious relationships on mumsnet - even marriages - are splitting things 50/50. And it seems those men continue to want to split things 50/50 whilst their wife is on maternity with their new baby. Etc. It's not very "we're a team" like.

Me and my partner don't split things 50/50 anymore. We don't keep tabs like that, neither of us cared to. He pays for stuff, I pay for stuff.

We initially did a split when we were first together, but neither of us wanted to be tit for tat or cared about 50/50 or keeping track.

He's ended up taking on the bulk of the bills because he gets paid more and so he just did. It just happened. I did ask him if he's happy doing that, he is. We discuss finances, but it's always just "our money" now.

notmoredirtywashing · 19/04/2025 15:11

What about same sex relationships? Does your batshit theory extent to that?