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To think you should never cohabit with a man unless he’s paying the majority of the bills?

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ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:47

Split finances = split energy.

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ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:32

Pluvia · 19/04/2025 14:52

Ah, that masculine energy, eh. Would that be the same masculine energy that likes wearing fishnets and lipstick and going into women's loos?

Not quite. I was talking about masculine energy in the context of relational dynamics - things like leadership, consistency and provision. That has nothing to do with gender debates or what someone wears. If the phrase triggers a completely different conversation in your mind, that’s your lens not mine.

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Stravaig · 19/04/2025 15:31

This is star spangled banner born in the USA nuclear grade Gilead shite.

AutumnLeaves24 · 19/04/2025 15:30

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:09

I’m not trying to convince anyone, just sharing a perspective that works for some of us. It’s not about “surrendering” - it’s about being intentional with the dynamic you want. A lot of women don’t want to carry half the load and still be expected to lead emotionally and practically too. And based on the replies (both for and against), I’d say the conversation’s more relevant than it looks.

'Based on the replies', that's what you take from the postss?, I questioned your comprehension skills

GottaWork · 19/04/2025 15:30

I find talk of leadership in a relationship really odd. I out earn DH significantly and we split our household expenses proportionate to our income. So I pay more. I said this on a thread recently but DH and I are a team. We do what works for us and most things are fair. DH sometimes does more around the house and sometimes I cook more.

I am certainly not looking for financial leadership from DH but nor is he looking for it from me just because I earn more.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:30

GCAcademic · 19/04/2025 14:52

Women who have jobs don't have self respect?

Not at all - I’ve never said that. Women can work, thrive, and still prefer a dynamic where their partner leads financially.

It’s not about whether a woman has a job - it’s about how she wants to show up in a relationship. For some of us, emotional contribution, home management or softer energy comes more naturally and we value a partner who compliments that with structure and provision. Self-respect isn’t about what you do, it’s about owning your values without apology.

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moose17 · 19/04/2025 15:28

Talking about Masculine energy is super big at the moment in the states on some of the most sexist and outrageous podcast’s of men who think women are just for making babies, cooking and cleaning If that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know I don’t think MN will be much help. And also the birth rate is dropping in many countries so that speaks volumes in itself in my opinion.

FastnetLundyRockall · 19/04/2025 15:27

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:07

I’d raise both sons and daughters to understand their value and to build lives rooted in intention, not default settings. If I had daughters, I’d encourage them to explore their gifts, pursue meaningful work if they want to, and never apologise for wanting to prioritise family, feminine energy or softness, if that’s what fulfils them.
If I had sons, I’d absolutely teach them life skills, emotional intelligence, and leadership - not just financial responsibility but the character to protect and provide emotionally too. I don’t believe in raising one-dimensional people - I believe in raising people who can lead and love with purpose.

Can women not be leaders then?

CalleOcho · 19/04/2025 15:26

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

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If that works for you and your partner, good for you, congratulations and just crack on 👍🏼

No need to make an entire thread to try and make other women feel bad about their situations and choices.

Charlize43 · 19/04/2025 15:26

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Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 19/04/2025 15:26

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:19

It means I value a dynamic where both partners bring different strengths - not identical roles but complimentary ones. For me, that includes masculine provision: stability, initiative and protection. In return, I bring emotional grounding, care, and support. That may sound outdated to some but for plenty of women, it’s not about the 1950s. It’s about alignment in 2025.

Everyone’s free to choose what works for them. I’ve simply chosen not to split bills with someone I’m also supposed to build a life with. That’s not regression, it’s discernment.

So why is the provider “masculine”?

if the female strengths are bringing in the money and providing for the family, as many women are capable of, is that energy still “masculine”?

what makes it masculine other than outdated stereotypes and gender roles?

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:26

HunnyPot · 19/04/2025 14:51

Depends if you are his partner or whore?

If a woman expecting reciprocity and respect in a relationship makes you reach for slurs, that says more about you than me. We’re clearly not having the same conversation - I’m speaking about standards, you’re speaking from bitterness.

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adviceneeded1990 · 19/04/2025 15:25

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:24

I think you’ve misunderstood - I’m not saying I don’t expect those things from a partner. Of course emotional intelligence, loyalty and peace should be mutual.

My point was that those are the things I bring and in return, I value a man who provides financial leadership and stability. It’s not about doing everything myself emotionally while he just pays for dinner. It’s about complimentary strengths, not identical roles. When both people show up in aligned ways that work for them, that’s where the real balance happens.

The type of man who would be attracted to this set up tends to have a wandering cock that he knows can wander freely as the woman is trapped at home with no financial means of escape.

AutumnLeaves24 · 19/04/2025 15:24

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

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Trust me, our 'dynamic' isn't 'roommate'

🤣🤣🤣. Finances have nothing to do with that.

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:24

PowderMonkeys · 19/04/2025 14:51

But why don’t you require that from the male ‘provider’ in equal amounts? That’s what makes you sound so tragic, as you are implying he doesn’t have to provide any of these things if he’s financing the household. A relationship in which only one person is emotionally intelligent and loyal (it’s not clear what you mean by ‘peace’) is never going to work.

I think you’ve misunderstood - I’m not saying I don’t expect those things from a partner. Of course emotional intelligence, loyalty and peace should be mutual.

My point was that those are the things I bring and in return, I value a man who provides financial leadership and stability. It’s not about doing everything myself emotionally while he just pays for dinner. It’s about complimentary strengths, not identical roles. When both people show up in aligned ways that work for them, that’s where the real balance happens.

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Flutterbyby · 19/04/2025 15:23

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

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Well ok. There are plenty of men (generally a certain type of men) that are into being the provider and paying the bills.
Good luck with it 🤷‍♀️.

Not sure why you're telling the rest of us though.

Bluebellwood129 · 19/04/2025 15:22

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:52

Financial leadership just means a partner who takes initiative in providing stability, structure and support - not someone who expects their partner to carry half the load while doing twice the emotional work. Some of us value that and there’s nothing wild about it.

'Financial leadership' - funniest thing I've read on here in a very long time. I can't respect any woman unable to provide for herself and see men as her equal.

AutumnLeaves24 · 19/04/2025 15:22

MyUmberSeal · 19/04/2025 13:49

What the fuck are you talking about??

Second this!!

GiroJim100 · 19/04/2025 15:22

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 13:57

Because I believe in masculine provider energy and I’m not looking to split hairs or bills. If I’m showing up emotionally, practically, and often doing more of the invisible labour that keeps a household running, I don’t think it’s wild to expect financial leadership in return. It’s about alignment. Some of us just don’t want a 50/50 roommate dynamic in our relationships.

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What absolute codswallop. I’m sure you consider yourself to be a highly intelligent and eloquent person. Instead your posts show you to just be a pure money grabbing leach.

ghostyslovesheets · 19/04/2025 15:22

And you’re single 🤔

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 19/04/2025 15:21

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:43

I do believe in being a team, just not a team where both people are playing the exact same position. For me, a relationship works best when we each bring different strengths. I show up emotionally, practically, and often take the lead in nurturing the relationship and home. I value a man who leads financially and brings stability. That’s how I feel supported and how I’m best able to pour into the relationship. It’s not about one person holding it down entirely - it’s about not both holding half while both feeling like we’re carrying more than that.

No relationship is both people playing the same position. Regardless of whether you pay 50/50 on bills or one pays everything, different people still have different strengths.

We are more "traditional" in our domestic roles than you'd think if you just knew me (I have a good career, I'm very independent, love DH to bits but I'm very much "the boss" at home). I am the better cook so I do that and the shopping that goes with it, I like the washing up (ten minutes with my music on makes it almost mindful), the laundry etc as I WFH most days. He prefers "tinkering" so he does the cars, the DIY, fixing, making, etc. He also works on site 5 days a week, so that's accounted for.

We share the childcare, outside of my non working days. Everything is covered by one of us, but neither of us "holds" more than half, on average. There are times I need to pick up more and times he does. We do that. Because we're a team and rather than only playing to our strengths, we do what is needed to keep the family ticking over.

You might prefer a "masculine provider", but I'm not entirely sure you know what that actually means. DH is very laid back, to the outsider it will look like I get my own way all the time. In reality, I get it most of the time, because he genuinely doesn't mind either way. If he does, he gets his way (or we have a discussion if I'm entirely against his way but that's rare). This doesn't mean he's not "masculine" or a "provider". He's both. I also "provide", it just looks different. Doesn't make me "masculine".

Missmarplesknittingbuddy · 19/04/2025 15:21

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 14:03

Or maybe it’s just that women are finally saying the quiet part out loud and not everyone knows how to handle that. Random username or not, the conversation clearly struck a nerve.

No you haven't struck a nerve , but I was momentarily fearful I had been beamed back to 1952 and I may be given housekeeping at the beginning of the week . Fortunately neither me or my DH subscribe to your antiquated twaddle and we have always shared the bills , household jobs and childcare very equally .

ilovesooty · 19/04/2025 15:20

ThisSereneSnail · 19/04/2025 15:19

It means I value a dynamic where both partners bring different strengths - not identical roles but complimentary ones. For me, that includes masculine provision: stability, initiative and protection. In return, I bring emotional grounding, care, and support. That may sound outdated to some but for plenty of women, it’s not about the 1950s. It’s about alignment in 2025.

Everyone’s free to choose what works for them. I’ve simply chosen not to split bills with someone I’m also supposed to build a life with. That’s not regression, it’s discernment.

You sound like a pound shop Miriam Cates.

Dontcallmescarface · 19/04/2025 15:20

not someone who expects their partner to carry half the load while doing twice the emotional work.

Here's an idea....stop doing twice the emotional work. You don't have to and you don't need to.

adviceneeded1990 · 19/04/2025 15:20

I’d rather pull off my own eyelashes than ever have any kind of financial dependence on a man. But you do you.

Napface · 19/04/2025 15:19

What a load of utter nonsense. There's nothing masculine about paying bills.