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The dilemma that won’t end

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kindnessforthewin · 18/04/2025 21:47

different name and account as when app updated I couldn’t get into my old one, however, I’ve found the old thread here, it’s long but essentially with 2DCs under 2.5 I just cannot be the non stop support my DSis wants and she won’t get the message m: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5216124-the-guilt-is-crippling-me?utmcampaign=thread&utmmedium=appshare

by way of update, DSis finally found a flat after realising I wouldn’t bail her out and let her live with me again (I had a newborn and 2 year old), and decided her time was up and she had to rent.

she rented……. On my doorstep. And that of her ex bf. Today I took time out of my day whilst DCs were napping at 1pm to meet her, and she spent the entire lunch crying about how triggering Easter is because we don’t have a family, how she bumped into her ex bf yesterday and it’s left her in pieces and how lonely she is.

since I’ve been back from our family trip (back for 6 weeks) she’s invited herself round at least once a week and I’ve had to tell her ‘no’ all but 2 times. I cannot explain enough to her, I do not have capacity for someone to ‘pop in’ or send me ‘are you around this evening’ messages.

yes in around this evening, like every evening, but 7-10pm (if I’m lucky) is the only time of the day im not running around after a 6 month old and/or 2.5 year old, a dog and the household chores. DC1 is at nursery 3 days a week and DC2 + dog home full time.

I don’t fancy putting my kids to bed and having another child walk in at 7pm. She’s almost 30 but what she wants is company, support, someone to take her pain away… every single week. Probably more if I allowed it.

I have tried to explain this but all I get I ‘I need you to be my sister right now’. Worth mentioning I’ve had her round for an entire afternoon and evening one Sunday, she was great, after me giving her home truths at the end of last year she actually played with DCs and tried to bond with them and helped a lot around the kitchen. Albeit she was still sat on sofa as DH and me were walking up to bed…never wants to leave.

second time I told her how stressed I was, we all were recovering from what we think was Covid, went on 10+ days, DH had final round presentations for new job he was behind prepping on and impending house guests arriving that weekend (a couple and their 2 DCs aka full on). Yet she called me the day after they arrived to borrow something, came round to get it and when she dropped it off same day, said she would pop in anyway. Again she was great, cleaned the kitchen and was helpful but again didn’t want to leave despite the fact we had guests. Zero emotional intelligence that I had explained I was so stressed with it all and still invited herself round.

the other 4ish times I’ve told her no……

even today 30 min before we were due to meet for lunch she said she’d locked herself out of her flat and called to come round. DH eyes rolled to back of head as we’d been up with DCs since 5.45am and DC2 was up several times in night for dummy run and DH feeling under weather…. I’d told her all of this when she messaged first thing to ask what time worked and I said only 1pm when DCs sleep. So she knew the reality of our day. I called back and said no point coming, I need to put DCs to bed and get ready and she insisted on coming just so we could walk together. Given she lives on the high street, where we were meeting I told her to putter around there for 25 min and she refuted asking what was she supposed to do on the high street for that amount of time. Tbh that would be my heaven but the dilemma is we have ying and yang lives.

In the end I text her to say literally no one can let you in, I need to shower and DH is broken and using his one hour child free time to lay in bed to rest before being with DCs this afternoon. Then she cried all lunch that I wouldn’t let her come and I make her feel like a burden. Of course I can let her come and sit in my house while I get ready but then it doesn’t stop there does it.

its such a dilemma because she’s so lonely, seems to not think she’s needy but is the most needy person I know, it pushes everyone away, including me, thinks she has the worst life in the world and seems to not want to sit with her pain and wants to come here regularly for company. I am on the short list and nothing I do or say will stop her relentless asking to come round. I had to work through all my trauma and sort my life out. I’m 8 years older than her but no one saved me.

anyone with 2 DCs and a dog will understand I have nothing left to give. My head is always exploding with stimulation and a never ending to do list. I’ve told her all of this but she repeats ‘I need you’. I don’t want anyone else to need me….. I need her to figure it out and give me some space.

DH thinks it’s a real dilemma and I won’t ever get through to her so shouldn’t even try. I get so stressed with her daily calls. Even around kids bedtime when I’ve told her 5-7pm is non stop for me.

Given her flat was only short term and up in July I said what a good opp to go back onto spare room and move further from ex (not on the same high street) so that would be one trigger less, and she said she doesn’t want to move because likes being close to ME. Again I said I can’t be what you need and she burst into tears again.

what do I do? Nothing is landing. My reality isn’t going to change. DC2 about to crawl and I’m due back to work soon…

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kindnessforthewin · 19/04/2025 19:40

Totally bowled over that so many of you read the post and took time to respond. Thought it might be too long but so appreciate it. It is tough and spins around my head more than it should.

have read every reply several times and each one has helped. I have tried to get her to work at home and she has volunteered the last two times after I gave some home truths (after she asked to house sit when we went away as to kick can down the road and not rent)… challenge I find is she then wants to stay for dinner and down time in the evenings and more often than not I don’t know how I’m going to feel, I’d rather forego the help and have the silence in the evening. As mean as that sounds it’s my sanity. There is also no end, if I let her in she keeps asking. I’m going to take the advice of set dates with her, and somehow will try to explain my reality won’t change. What she needs is a plethora of single folk in her network keen for plans. When I ask her how bumble for friends went, she said she hadn’t bothered… I guess that’s what frustrates me, my house my company DHs company, a nice cooked dinner and a place to call ‘home’ is what she wants and she won’t take no for an answer; yet won’t do the leg work in other areas..

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olympicsrock · 19/04/2025 09:48

She sounds so demanding . When she asks if you are around this evening , reply ‘super busy and exhausted’ and repel every time she suggests coming over in the evening .

You are right to prioritise your own mental health and children. She will have to stand on her own 2 feet as an adult .

DDivaStar · 19/04/2025 09:35

The crying sounds ridiculous and manipulative.

But its sad you can't find time to see your sister for a cuppa once a week ?

CoraPirbright · 19/04/2025 09:23

Goodness - the crying all the time at 30 years old! She needs some sort of therapy. Has the house been sold yet? Really hope she is not able to purchase anything in your street or nearby.

DilemmaDelilah · 19/04/2025 09:08

I'm going slightly against the flow here. I know how exhausting it is to be the one everyone turns to, to be needed all the time, never to feel 'off duty', but.... How do you think you would feel if you were her? Regardless of the fact she may have brought her situation upon herself, she has made poor decisions or whatever, it doesn't negate her feelings. She sounds pretty desperate actually, and very lonely.

It is absolutely the case that you can't, and shouldn't, be on call for her all the time, but how about trying to carve out a regular time slot for her every week? So she knows she is going to have your company/attention at that time and you know that you only need to cope with her at that time?

You say it is quite often in the evenings when she wants to see you - could your DH do the bedtime routine one evening a week so that you can spend a few hours with your sister at her place? She could plan for this time by getting together all the things she thinks she needs help with, or whatever she needs to talk about. Knowing that she has this time with you to look forward to should help her, I think, and you know that you can be quite happy to tell her that you are unable to see her/cope with drop in visits at other times.

You might find that it is much more relaxed, and even enjoyable, if the time is planned. You could have a meal together, you can concentrate on her just for a few hours, rather than trying to split your attention.

fruitypancake · 19/04/2025 07:22

This sounds so difficult OP. What a hard situation to be in , you clearly love and care for your Dsis but it is ok to put your own needs and that of your family first . Agree it needs to be about boundary setting / what can you offer ? And stick to it. Like the idea of her doing things for you as a trial , that could be a win win

Needtosoundoffandbreathe · 19/04/2025 07:02

Tell her straight she needs counselling and she cannot be reliant on you. You are both adults and she needs to grow up. Point out to her that her extreme neediness is too much and leads to people avoiding her.

Trashpalace · 19/04/2025 06:54

It is totally reasonable that your priority is maintaining your sanity to be a good mum and you are clear that you don't have the extra energy for that. So you need to put some boundaries in place.

Boundaries are not something you hand to your sister and expect her to respect, they are actually an act of self-discipline for yourself.

How much time do you think you can put into your relationship with your sister at the moment? Decide this and then have a talk with her where you say something like "at the moment, as I am raising my young children and am under a lot of pressure I can catch up with you once a week, and I'll keep (Wednesday) lunch time free for us to do that, but I'm not goingy to be available at other times because I really need to focus on my kids". Also decide in advance how long you will spend with her over lunch. Then the hard part is that YOU need to stick to this!

Be prepared for her to cry/be upset, try other tactics to get you to move your boundary. Try to keep your tone warm and sympathetic. You can validate her feelings (eg say "I can see this is hard for you" and even "I'm sorry it needs to be this way right now", which you probably do feel, but you do not need to justify prioritizing yourself and your children - this is just how it needs to be.

Honestly, this is how you parent young children - you are kind, clear and firm, don't get drawn into discussions but just repeat the same ststemente over. You let them have their feelings and ride out their tantrum but you can't fix everything for them and it is not good for them if you try to do so - they will become extremely entitled.

You can block her number temporarily outside of the morning you are catching up with her. In your initial conversation I'd say "sorry I'm not going to be able to take calls forthe next several weeks as it is taking me away from the kids".

You will need to be prepared to politely turn her away if she comes to your house, just say "I'm sorry, a visit just doesn't suit. See you on Wednesday" and wave bye and close the door.

The goal is to communicate through your actions that this is the new normal and to remain warm, friendly and even sympathetic in your tone that you understand it is hard for her. You want to maintain a warm and caring relationship that is also on your terms. Imagine a small child wanting to play with something dangerous - you would be kind, and even sorry they are upset, but you simply cannot allow them to do that. In a way, your sister wants to act in a way that will destroy the relationship between you and she isn't mature enough to curb her own behaviour, so you need to do it.

Sadly people don't usually cheer with happiness when we start standing up for ourselves- they often ramp up difficult or emotionally manipulative behaviour, so if you do want to start a new dynamic with your sister it is a good idea to think this through fully and consider how you will manage her possible reactions and get really committed to this plan before you start. If you had the time/money to do a course of counselling with someone you trust to really break this pattern that would be ideal.

TheSandgroper · 19/04/2025 05:28

Gawd, don’t give her a regular occupation. She will just start saying “but you neeed me to do …”

TammyJones · 18/04/2025 22:06

All you can do is say, no I’m too busy- rinse and repeat.
it sad it’s come ti this , but you can’t pour form an empty cup.
and get your sister to therapy.

Minglingpringle · 18/04/2025 22:04

So she’s a Negative Nelly mishandling her life.

The only thing I can think of is to put her to work. Be quite explicit that seeing you is conditional. “I am overwhelmed by how much I have to do. I can ONLY make space for you if you make yourself useful. Clean the house. Do shopping. Play with the children. Run errands. Whatever needs doing.” Insist on it and don’t let it drift into not happening.

Perhaps she would enjoy being a functioning part of the family. Perhaps it would actually relieve some of your stress.

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