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The dilemma that won’t end

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kindnessforthewin · 18/04/2025 21:47

different name and account as when app updated I couldn’t get into my old one, however, I’ve found the old thread here, it’s long but essentially with 2DCs under 2.5 I just cannot be the non stop support my DSis wants and she won’t get the message m: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5216124-the-guilt-is-crippling-me?utmcampaign=thread&utmmedium=appshare

by way of update, DSis finally found a flat after realising I wouldn’t bail her out and let her live with me again (I had a newborn and 2 year old), and decided her time was up and she had to rent.

she rented……. On my doorstep. And that of her ex bf. Today I took time out of my day whilst DCs were napping at 1pm to meet her, and she spent the entire lunch crying about how triggering Easter is because we don’t have a family, how she bumped into her ex bf yesterday and it’s left her in pieces and how lonely she is.

since I’ve been back from our family trip (back for 6 weeks) she’s invited herself round at least once a week and I’ve had to tell her ‘no’ all but 2 times. I cannot explain enough to her, I do not have capacity for someone to ‘pop in’ or send me ‘are you around this evening’ messages.

yes in around this evening, like every evening, but 7-10pm (if I’m lucky) is the only time of the day im not running around after a 6 month old and/or 2.5 year old, a dog and the household chores. DC1 is at nursery 3 days a week and DC2 + dog home full time.

I don’t fancy putting my kids to bed and having another child walk in at 7pm. She’s almost 30 but what she wants is company, support, someone to take her pain away… every single week. Probably more if I allowed it.

I have tried to explain this but all I get I ‘I need you to be my sister right now’. Worth mentioning I’ve had her round for an entire afternoon and evening one Sunday, she was great, after me giving her home truths at the end of last year she actually played with DCs and tried to bond with them and helped a lot around the kitchen. Albeit she was still sat on sofa as DH and me were walking up to bed…never wants to leave.

second time I told her how stressed I was, we all were recovering from what we think was Covid, went on 10+ days, DH had final round presentations for new job he was behind prepping on and impending house guests arriving that weekend (a couple and their 2 DCs aka full on). Yet she called me the day after they arrived to borrow something, came round to get it and when she dropped it off same day, said she would pop in anyway. Again she was great, cleaned the kitchen and was helpful but again didn’t want to leave despite the fact we had guests. Zero emotional intelligence that I had explained I was so stressed with it all and still invited herself round.

the other 4ish times I’ve told her no……

even today 30 min before we were due to meet for lunch she said she’d locked herself out of her flat and called to come round. DH eyes rolled to back of head as we’d been up with DCs since 5.45am and DC2 was up several times in night for dummy run and DH feeling under weather…. I’d told her all of this when she messaged first thing to ask what time worked and I said only 1pm when DCs sleep. So she knew the reality of our day. I called back and said no point coming, I need to put DCs to bed and get ready and she insisted on coming just so we could walk together. Given she lives on the high street, where we were meeting I told her to putter around there for 25 min and she refuted asking what was she supposed to do on the high street for that amount of time. Tbh that would be my heaven but the dilemma is we have ying and yang lives.

In the end I text her to say literally no one can let you in, I need to shower and DH is broken and using his one hour child free time to lay in bed to rest before being with DCs this afternoon. Then she cried all lunch that I wouldn’t let her come and I make her feel like a burden. Of course I can let her come and sit in my house while I get ready but then it doesn’t stop there does it.

its such a dilemma because she’s so lonely, seems to not think she’s needy but is the most needy person I know, it pushes everyone away, including me, thinks she has the worst life in the world and seems to not want to sit with her pain and wants to come here regularly for company. I am on the short list and nothing I do or say will stop her relentless asking to come round. I had to work through all my trauma and sort my life out. I’m 8 years older than her but no one saved me.

anyone with 2 DCs and a dog will understand I have nothing left to give. My head is always exploding with stimulation and a never ending to do list. I’ve told her all of this but she repeats ‘I need you’. I don’t want anyone else to need me….. I need her to figure it out and give me some space.

DH thinks it’s a real dilemma and I won’t ever get through to her so shouldn’t even try. I get so stressed with her daily calls. Even around kids bedtime when I’ve told her 5-7pm is non stop for me.

Given her flat was only short term and up in July I said what a good opp to go back onto spare room and move further from ex (not on the same high street) so that would be one trigger less, and she said she doesn’t want to move because likes being close to ME. Again I said I can’t be what you need and she burst into tears again.

what do I do? Nothing is landing. My reality isn’t going to change. DC2 about to crawl and I’m due back to work soon…

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CarrotVan · 02/05/2025 07:59

She sounds like she can’t cope at all with her own company. She really does need therapy as she can’t escape herself

Notgoingtobarb · 02/05/2025 07:55

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Pashazade · 02/05/2025 07:49

I think Lightening Strike has the best response simple and to the point. She doesn’t care what you think or feel OP, she’s far too absorbed in her own world of self pity. You’ve got to walk away.

Silvertulips · 02/05/2025 07:36

You keep saying she need to read the relationships book.

Clearly that book doesn’t work in this situation - you need to find another tool in your armory to deal with her.

Notknots · 02/05/2025 07:33

I get that she is being needy but could it be because she never actually gets what she needs from you?

You keep saying you have children and a dog and can't spend an evening with her, but are having house guests for the weekend.

One evening where your DH could take caeof the kids could make a real difference to her.

Missohnoyoubetterdont · 02/05/2025 07:28

Just here for ‘never wrestle a pig’. I think that says it all. So sorry you are experiencing this but she sounds unwell.

Lighteningstrikes · 02/05/2025 07:20

My reply would be, I deeply love and care for you because you are my sister, BUT I AM NOT A QUALIFIED THERAPIST.

You are seriously affecting my mental health, and I would ask you to seek the professional help you desperately need. Any communication from you will not be reciprocated until you have recovered from the desperate cycle you are in.

Elsvieta · 02/05/2025 07:19

Have you sold the family home yet? Once she has the money for a house deposit hopefully you'll never have to listen to her whine about her housing situation at least.

Beyond that, you need to internalize the idea that you don't actually need her to "take" no for an answer - you just need to say no, once, and then not do as she demands. You also need to remember that you are in charge of what you do and she, and she alone, is responsible for what she does, or doesn't - like making the effort to make friends etc. There's no relationship between the two things, so stop acting like there is. If she won't make any effort to help herself, that's her choice - don't make it yours, and don't let her choices influence yours in any way. You seem very stuck on the idea that you need to "get through" to her, make her accept what you're saying, see where she's going wrong etc. I don't think it's going to happen, so all you can do is decide what you will do and what you won't, and do it. What she accepts, learns, changes etc is her concern, not yours. I know it makes you feel like you're cruel or something, but there's no other way.

Youcalyptus · 02/05/2025 07:13

How about saying to your sister "OK then - I am your family, YOU should prioritise ME. You have a sister who is broken from so many caring responsibilities. I've told you how you can best help me- it's by giving me space. If you won't do this I can only conclude you don't care about your family."

I mean that won't work, it's just a shot you could take!

The thing that will work OP, is you holding your own boundaries with love.

It sounds like you are still needing something from her - you need her to realise what you're going through, you need her to then act in a way that gives you space so you don't have to take it. But she won't do that, she can't. She doesn't have the skill to do it. But you are enmeshed in resenting her neediness.

So the reframe for you is that it's a gift - her inability to read the room is giving you the chance to learn about acting assertively without shame or blame. You can practise taking up the space that is rightfully yours and prioritising yourself and your needs. Your family hasnt given you that skill, you had to help everyone and be overly parentified. You've done so much work on yourself and this is the next stretch for you. She's helping you now, to stretch your own skills.

The Work by Byron Katie might be something you'd find useful. I think the Judge Your Neighbour worksheet will feel to you like a massive revelation.

thinktwice36 · 02/05/2025 07:03

I am your family, you should prioritise me

to which my answer would be “you’re my sister and I love you but my priority is the children I have and are responsible for.”

TiredCatLady · 02/05/2025 06:59

Given your last message OP. Seriously consider blocking her. She isn’t getting the message and she won’t get the message while you continue to pick up the phone.
She sounds selfish and controlling - this behaviour will affect your DC as they get older.

thepariscrimefiles · 02/05/2025 06:47

kindnessforthewin · 01/05/2025 23:53

Message from my sister ‘Repeatedly telling me that you can’t be there for me because you have your own family is disgusting, I am your family, you should prioritise me’

I fear this is why her relationships fail. She cannot read a room. Nor recognise when she is draining someone.

Honestly, at this stage, I would just block her. Your childhood sounds horrific and you had to become an adult far too early. Your sister was obviously pandered to and cossetted and, as a result, has absolutely no resilience. However, she is not your problem to solve.

You get nothing positive out of this relationship. She is using emotional blackmail to wear you down and this needs to stop. As she won't change, you need to stop giving her any opportunities to do this to you. She isn't treating you like a sister, she is expecting you to be her mother and to give her as much attention as you give your own small children. This is unsustainable and is making you ill which will have a negative impact on your children. Put yourself and your family first.

thinktwice36 · 02/05/2025 06:39

What happens if you don’t answer calls/texts - or send a message “can’t talk right now, busy will speak tomorrow?”

JoshLymanSwagger · 02/05/2025 06:26

Don't reply to the message. Just block her. If you reply, then she'll reply, then you'll reply...

Never wrestle a pig.
You get covered in mud and the pig will enjoy it.

She's enjoying the attention and you're just getting the sh*t.

Imisscoffee2021 · 02/05/2025 06:21

kindnessforthewin · 01/05/2025 23:53

Message from my sister ‘Repeatedly telling me that you can’t be there for me because you have your own family is disgusting, I am your family, you should prioritise me’

I fear this is why her relationships fail. She cannot read a room. Nor recognise when she is draining someone.

I'm so frustrated for you :( I have an aunty like this who did have a family and kids but has an attitude of woe is me and will find any excuse to feel incredibly sorry for herself, and has now become heavily delendant on alcohol in her 50s and 60s which has exaggerated her most toxic and maudlin personality traits. She needs so much from her kids and sister that they can't give.

To that message I'd reply something like "I'm only repeating myself because you keep asking me for something I have already said I cannot give you. I'm in a stage of life that is very blessed but also incredibly stressful and busy, two young children take so much of me as well as everything else in life that I have very little left to get me through the day, and I'm asking you to help me by accepting that I don't have much free time, and when I do its very very draining to be used as a sounding board or free therapy. I DO love you, and I really think if you take a moment to reflect you'd look back and know that I have shown that I do. But right now I'm asking you to love me by seeing how I'm hanging on by a thread at times and need the few half hours a day I get to be calm ones. I simply can't give you what you clearly need and are looking for, I'm your sister and always will be, and I'm so keen not to have a situation like this pushing us apart, but for that not to happen you need to stop making me repeat myself by repeatedly asking for things i cannot give you right now"

sesquipedalian · 02/05/2025 05:59

OP, your sister’s message “Repeatedly telling me that you can’t be there for me because you have your own family is disgusting, I am your family, you should prioritise me” is very worrying. She is actually asking you to put your own family - your helpless children who are so young, and your DH - aside in favour of her and her needs. Your sister really needs help - would she consider counselling? I’m afraid it’s going to have to be tough love from you: tell her that your DH and your DC are your priority, and that while she is your sister, she is NOT your responsibility. I completely agree with PeggyMitchellsCameo - if you don’t make hard and fast boundaries, she’s going to be a millstone round your neck your whole life, and your DH and in time DC are going to get very fed up with her. You are going to have to tell her straight: you cannot prioritise her because your priorities are your OWN family, and it’s absolutely not your responsibility to babysit her.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 02/05/2025 05:37

Have a friend in your situation. She’s 75! And the needy sister lives around the corner…. she is 85.
Family friends.
The older sister was indulged, but when friend came along 10 years later…. not happy.
My friend of 75 has a great marriage of 50 years, kids and grandkids. The older sister was engaged to the same chap for 50 years. She did became his carer for 10 years at the end in his home. He was well off and promised to leave her his home and money to say thank you. When he died he’d left everything to a distant relative abroad. The older sister was heartbroken but she’d been told all her life he was tight, and would never marry her.
The friend of 75 is at her wits end. Contact phone calls, demands to be looked after, telling her how lucky she is. This has been going on for 50 years.
Think long and hard about what you want to do here.
Your sister is clearly more than needy, she’s unwell. She doesn’t have your abilities to cope, and I’m sorry but The Rules won’t work for her.
Going NC may seem extreme but sit down with DH at some point and really talk about having a firm plan.

WomenInSTEM · 02/05/2025 05:03

kindnessforthewin · 01/05/2025 23:53

Message from my sister ‘Repeatedly telling me that you can’t be there for me because you have your own family is disgusting, I am your family, you should prioritise me’

I fear this is why her relationships fail. She cannot read a room. Nor recognise when she is draining someone.

I think you need to consider cutting her off entirely. She is utterly unreasonable and is clearly never going to change.

Demanding that she should come first before your husband and children? I just don't know where to begin with how wrong that is.

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/05/2025 03:55

femfemlicious · 02/05/2025 03:24

She's your sister. Let her be part of the family. Sont push her away. Embrace her and let her help you.tell her she has to help out if she wants to come around.

Have you read any of the OP's posts?

Her sister doesn't want to simply be a 'part' of the family.

She wants to dominate OP's entire life, and home, dump on her constantly, be put first, above OP's kids and DH, have the OP come running whenever she wants.

She wants OP to be her crutch to lean on at all times (until something more fun comes along). This isn't a healthy relationship, it is a total dependency, and doing as you suggest here will damage OP's relationship with both her kids and her husband most likely!

The sister is an adult - she should stand on her own two feet and sort her own life out. She's had the opportunity, tons of support of various kinds... and refuses to do this because bluntly, she does not want to. She enjoys the misery and neediness, she blames others for her situation every time, this isn't simply 'how' she is but who she is.

OP - have much tighter boundaries.

'Sis, I will meet you at X to walk the dog, at Y time'

DS: 'Oh but can I meet at your house'...

OP: ' I will meet you at X to walk the dog, at Y time, take it or leave it.'

If she pushes again, you hang up/stop replying to messages. Same response every time, just reiterate your boundary and if its pushed more than once, you end the interaction.

Do not put yourself into positions/situations/contexts where she can push for more - so don't go somewhere with her where you cannot leave independently of her for example.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 02/05/2025 03:48

I would tell her bluntly that you have other priorities! She’s expecting you to parent her and be her therapist. She’s an adult but refusing to take responsibility for her own life. I would see her far less than once a week.

femfemlicious · 02/05/2025 03:27

The mistake you are making is getting her to come by when the kids are in bed. Let her come when they are awake and get her to much in . Make her cook and clean and take the kids to the park!

femfemlicious · 02/05/2025 03:24

She's your sister. Let her be part of the family. Sont push her away. Embrace her and let her help you.tell her she has to help out if she wants to come around.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 02/05/2025 03:11

It all sounds utterly, destroyingly, soul murder... I feel drained just reading your account... I can see how you're worried about this going on for the rest of your life!

You've tried numerous ways to get her to see, she's just trampling all over these suggestions and it seems her only wish is colonising all your time and your family.

I think it is really, really, time for drastic action...

Write her a letter say how exasperated you are, you CARE for her, you've gone beyond all that is normal as a sister... but this level has got to stop...

Going forward you can ONLY be available for x times a week? Perhaps not at your house... So you can escape easily... And keep to it...

Only manipulation, you can rinse and repeat... 'like I said, I think you need to be referred for psychology', I think it's good for you to go to x group...

What about; " I'll only see you next week AS LONG as you prove to me you've gone to 2 meet up (app) groups, go to the group for x on Sunday and do the y on Monday...

Whatever you decide... You need to really hold this boundary....
She'll through a mega tantrum. In psychology this is the 'extinction burst'... If you get really worried about her, I would contact her doctor and give them a summary.

I think you literally need her to actually refuse her to come through the door..." Like I siad sister you can't spend the evening here... Please go home, and I'll see you on x..."

Implied boundaries aren't working, a talking to isn't working, you've tried loads of things...

She knows that if she pushes hard enough you'll eventually give in, cos you're utterly burnt out with her behaviour!

kindnessforthewin · 01/05/2025 23:53

Message from my sister ‘Repeatedly telling me that you can’t be there for me because you have your own family is disgusting, I am your family, you should prioritise me’

I fear this is why her relationships fail. She cannot read a room. Nor recognise when she is draining someone.

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kindnessforthewin · 01/05/2025 22:35

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 01/05/2025 22:06

The thing is she repeatedly says “I just need you to be my sister right now” which is manipulative and, frankly, disingenuous because that’s not what she’s asking you to be. She is asking you to parent her. She refuses to engage in adult behaviour and constantly asks you to look after her in ways that are completely unnecessary - like walking her home in broad daylight in the middle of the day. She is repeatedly incapable of straightforward tasks. When men do this we call it ‘weaponised incompetence’. It’s deeply unhealthy but I also genuinely think that even if you agreed to every request, it wouldn’t make her happy and it wouldn’t be enough. It would just deplete you until there was nothing left. Not only do you need to keep holding your boundaries, you need to find a way to detach and make it less exhausting for you. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

Yes this make my blood boil. I have done so much for her over the years and she just asks for more and more and more.

I can’t change our family dynamic. I suffer too! What about when I’m unwell, I have to dig deep and parent every single day. No mum or dad here to help me. No PiL to run in either. We don’t get a break! Ever.

she is desperate for me to be the band aid while she is heartbroken and until she finds a new boyfriend. The tears of a family is all so get me to change my mind. I feel for her but she needs to change her life and she thinks she has done no wrong. These men have broken her. Every single one of them. She’s done nothing.

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