To think I can't be the only person who doesn't know a single trans person

Every day at work it seems someone (always a man) decides he wants to be called she.

I'm quite happy to call Dave "princess twinkle toes" or whatever other ridiculous name they all seem to choose at work (honestly, not one of them is "normal" or not ugly) and I couldn't care less if he wants to wear a dress. I don't recognise them as female though.

Recently one of them joined a group for women experiencing menopause because he was about the right age and also "wanted to experience it". The group stopped because of it which is a real shame for the women who found it helpful. He didn't mean it maliciously but it's not a safe space to share experiences anymore. Obviously the women in the group couldn't say that so had to hide behind various reasons for it closing. If they'd said "this is a group for women to discuss the health of women so no men allowed", they'd have been put through the disciplinary process.

I'm struggling to keep my mouth shut at times over it.

The husband of a friend is also now her wife.

At least 3 of my daughter's friends are trans apparently. Although if you don't have some sort of LGBT label at her school, then you're a nobody.

My autistic daughter is also asking her friends to call her he and wants a chest binder. We're moving soon, including her school so I'm really, desperately hoping things are different at her new school.

I work with one. DD has a trans friend and has two trans teachers over the last 7 years. One of the cashiers in the office licence down the road is trans.

Yes, they're a minority, but not a vanishingly small one.

I live in a small town and there’s at least 4 or 5 I see around regularly (and yes, it’s very easy to tell)

I know 2 in my family (one immediate family, one partner of a family member) several friends kids, several friends of friends kids, a few in the volunteering I do.

They are all autistic. As am I.

oh, and men dressed as women do not pass. At all. Ever.

My family knows four trans people, 3 are close friends and one is the child of a colleague. Interestingly, given that in the media we mainly hear about trans women, 3 of the 4 are trans men.

How do you know that you can always tell though because if you can't tell you'll never know. Maybe you only spotted 50%? It's like when people say you can always tell when someone has botox, you will never know all of the occasions you didn't spot it. Mumsnet is proof that you can't always tell, there has been more than one thread on the feminist board accusing women of being men or the women who have been accused of being men in bathroons.

I genuinely don't understand the confidence from some people that they would always be able to tell.

Not according to Stonewall and other such bodies. Have you not heard of the "trans umbrella"? That's why they shortened it to trans. Look up also "gender euphoria" if you like. This ideology makes no distinction between the fetish and the dysphoria.

Exactly my point! The man dressing in women's clothes might not identify as a woman tonight, but she might do so tomorrow! It's so important for allies to avoid gatekeeping. I hope this explains better xx

There may be a difference between transvestite and transgender but those affected don’t often see that

Hum
tbinking about it - I know 3 and DH knows none but has seen 2 transwomen ( one now in jail ) - guess it’s just a bit random

I know a couple of trans women. So just because they're a smaller minority people aren't allowed to support them or feel sad at the new rulings...just because you don't know any. What a stupid post.

There’s a difference between a transvestite and someone who is transgender.

When I see these discussions, I often wonder what people will think when we start adding tech to our bodies. Transhumanism is on the horizon, folks.

I don't either.

I made a point on this on another thread.

It's not equality a lot of marginalised groups are after: it's domination.

It's all coming unravelled.

I used to live in Rio de Janeiro. Sometimes I'd entertain myself of an evening by watching male tourists get bewitched by impossibly glamorous male 'women'. Women could tell, local men could tell, but visiting men really couldn't.

That was also a time when I had dozens of 'transwoman' friends. Back in London, I also knew several. Although many referred to themselves as women, especially the Brazilians, they didn't really think they were and weren't pissed off that I talked to them as men. That was some time ago, though, Brazil's gone fully TWAW now.

A lot of my friends with teenagers have one experimenting with 'gender' but, as they grow up, all but one has segued back through non-binary to their real sex. I noticed the holdout's now a "they" so there's hope for her yet!

We have a couple of noticeably trans-identifying people in my very small town.

In my job, I've encountered 4 - all girls. 3 have now detransitioned. Not sure about the 4th - she was still deciding whether to be a trans boy or non binary the last time I saw her.

It's about things like prisons, rape shelters, sports. And not giving an open invite to cross-dressers to pop into the ladies loos at any time. HTH

I see your point . I know a trans person , he/she them has been using female bathrooms in the office for 15 years without a single issue . I don’t care , nobody cares . This whole thing has been blowed out of proportion so badly it’s actually stupid ! I don’t actually care o will possibly share a bathroom with trans person once a year . They will be happy being who they are and I will be happy seeing them happy . I wish celebrities didn’t invest so much money on court cases and crap and hid under the feminism umbrella . Most women do not mind . So many other feminist issues needing addressing I can’t grasp what this tirade is all about

Ha, oh dear. This is how it's gone down in my workplace too. We have a place to write pronouns, but nobody ever remembers to say they/them, because the they/thems have been so obviously one sex or the other. Hilariously, it's often the people with pronouns in their own signatures who forget, while I, the terf, am sitting there thinking "oh dear, he (I mean they) is not going to like that".

What?

Maybe he'll feel like it tomorrow, or possibly this evening. Don't be a transphobic hater.

We had a non-binary person (clearly female) join our team at work. A lovely, well meaning person told us that because of how the new person identifies, 'whenever you speak to her or about her, use they or them'.

I'm a woman I wear women's clothing everyday HTH