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Ammamamam · 17/04/2025 20:54

I am very lucky that I have a close friend group with three other women. I’ve known them a long time and really trust their judgment.

Been with DP since I was 29 and I’m now 37. We have one DD age 3. DP is hospital doctor and pretty much is always at the hospital. This has always been the way but since DD I feel irritated when he’s not in touch or just doesn’t prioritise getting home at a reasonable time (even when he technically could!).

I broke down last weekend and confided in my friends that I actually felt like the relationship was very much me propping up his career while I got on with family life (I also work) and day to day stuff pretty much alone. I expected my friends to suggest leaving and so on but they all unanimously said I needed to accept I have a lot of good stuff that comes from his job (financially) and that when he is around he is very hands on with DD. My friends were saying often their partners/husbands don’t do much all week yet barely earn anything close to DP and they’re not even hands on when they get home. I think they see my life as financially easy and therefore it makes up for the often rubbish weeks.

I feel so conflicted. Tonight is another example. We are taking DD to Disneyland tomorrow morning and he’s not even home yet, haven’t been in touch with me, I’ve text to ask when he’s likely to be back… that was 3 hours ago. When he’s at the hospital he simply doesn’t seem to recognise we exist. outside of this he is very attentive though. I didn’t expect my life to be like this and I feel sad that it’s ended up this way. I don’t feel the money is a fair or good reason to stay and I’m seriously questioning the relationship. But I also don’t want to upset DD who is obviously used to us being together. It’s another night feeling thoroughly fed up…

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Goodtogossip · 22/04/2025 12:37

He's a hospital Doctor therefore when he's at work he'll no have time to ring you for a chat or to see how your day is going. He's in a very responsible job & probably is in 'work mode' while there. You say he's hands on when at home. That's good that he bothers with his family when he can & has time. Try having a chat with him asking him to let you know his shifts as & when he gets his rota then you'll have an idea when to expect him home. With a high pressure job he'll need time to switch off so try not to message or ring him while he's on shift or on his way home. Have a hour or so after he get's home for you both to sit & chat & update each other on your day to day lives & discuss plans you have as a family.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 19/04/2025 12:17

Ammamamam · 17/04/2025 20:54

I am very lucky that I have a close friend group with three other women. I’ve known them a long time and really trust their judgment.

Been with DP since I was 29 and I’m now 37. We have one DD age 3. DP is hospital doctor and pretty much is always at the hospital. This has always been the way but since DD I feel irritated when he’s not in touch or just doesn’t prioritise getting home at a reasonable time (even when he technically could!).

I broke down last weekend and confided in my friends that I actually felt like the relationship was very much me propping up his career while I got on with family life (I also work) and day to day stuff pretty much alone. I expected my friends to suggest leaving and so on but they all unanimously said I needed to accept I have a lot of good stuff that comes from his job (financially) and that when he is around he is very hands on with DD. My friends were saying often their partners/husbands don’t do much all week yet barely earn anything close to DP and they’re not even hands on when they get home. I think they see my life as financially easy and therefore it makes up for the often rubbish weeks.

I feel so conflicted. Tonight is another example. We are taking DD to Disneyland tomorrow morning and he’s not even home yet, haven’t been in touch with me, I’ve text to ask when he’s likely to be back… that was 3 hours ago. When he’s at the hospital he simply doesn’t seem to recognise we exist. outside of this he is very attentive though. I didn’t expect my life to be like this and I feel sad that it’s ended up this way. I don’t feel the money is a fair or good reason to stay and I’m seriously questioning the relationship. But I also don’t want to upset DD who is obviously used to us being together. It’s another night feeling thoroughly fed up…

Tbf I suspect that your DH was late because he was finishing all his paperwork and in tray/emails so that he can spend the time on holiday with you and DD with his mind clear to focus on you both.

Pussycat22 · 19/04/2025 09:19

tryingtobesogood · 17/04/2025 21:07

I disagree with the posts above, it takes a minute to let you know when to expect him. It’s not that hard.

Just a minute Mr Smith, I need to message home, whilst doing cardiac compressions !!!

Mischance · 19/04/2025 09:15

My late OH was a doctor - I am afraid this is just what life is life married to a doctor.

Askingforafriendtoday · 19/04/2025 09:12

Ammamamam · 17/04/2025 20:54

I am very lucky that I have a close friend group with three other women. I’ve known them a long time and really trust their judgment.

Been with DP since I was 29 and I’m now 37. We have one DD age 3. DP is hospital doctor and pretty much is always at the hospital. This has always been the way but since DD I feel irritated when he’s not in touch or just doesn’t prioritise getting home at a reasonable time (even when he technically could!).

I broke down last weekend and confided in my friends that I actually felt like the relationship was very much me propping up his career while I got on with family life (I also work) and day to day stuff pretty much alone. I expected my friends to suggest leaving and so on but they all unanimously said I needed to accept I have a lot of good stuff that comes from his job (financially) and that when he is around he is very hands on with DD. My friends were saying often their partners/husbands don’t do much all week yet barely earn anything close to DP and they’re not even hands on when they get home. I think they see my life as financially easy and therefore it makes up for the often rubbish weeks.

I feel so conflicted. Tonight is another example. We are taking DD to Disneyland tomorrow morning and he’s not even home yet, haven’t been in touch with me, I’ve text to ask when he’s likely to be back… that was 3 hours ago. When he’s at the hospital he simply doesn’t seem to recognise we exist. outside of this he is very attentive though. I didn’t expect my life to be like this and I feel sad that it’s ended up this way. I don’t feel the money is a fair or good reason to stay and I’m seriously questioning the relationship. But I also don’t want to upset DD who is obviously used to us being together. It’s another night feeling thoroughly fed up…

Have you any idea of the pressures on him during his working day, OP? I think you need to get a grip, and yes, you're friends are right. Focus on the lots of positives and the impact on your child of separating her from her dad, and the impact on him.

Buffs · 18/04/2025 23:22

Sorry if this sounds harsh but you have a lot to be grateful for. You say the money doesn’t matter but you should try not having any. Being married to someone who doesn’t work or hates their job isn’t easy as is being with someone who does nothing around the house. Your alternative is being a single parent, less money and less help.

ApiratesaysYarrr · 18/04/2025 21:31

UrinalCake · 18/04/2025 10:02

It's interesting how many people are defaulting to terms like spouse and marriage, when OP used the term DP and hasn't mentioned being married.

I wonder if it's because people's understanding of situations where one partner is in the support role and the other takes 0% of child responsibility whilst working is that it should involve marriage, in order to be equitable. OP could just have been using partner for shorthand, but given that she refers to her friend's husbands and partners my guess is not.

However much people think the NHS doctors treating them shouldn't have to worry about domestic life when working, if said doctors also have dependent DC, that also requires someone in the background dealing with 100% of any pieces that need picking up. That person should be on board with what's happening and also getting a fair deal.

But the OP says that her partner is engaged when he is at home, it's not like he is coming home and saying "I'm exhausted from my long day at my very important job, I am too tired to put the kids to bed/make dinner/whatever"

Resident drs (the new name for junior doctors work longer hours than most people, and often have a longer commute as they have to move round for their training), so unless the OP is doing a 48 hr week, he is working more hours, and she says that he is also helping when he is at home.

ApiratesaysYarrr · 18/04/2025 21:25

Also, my partner is not a doctor. He has an entirely flexible job that he does from home with effectively no-one checking in on him (as long as the work is done, his "line manager" doesn't care.

I wouldn't expect to be texting him during his working hours, and even if I sent a text, would not be expecting a reply until he'd finished work, because...it's work.

I agree that it can be annoying not knowing when your husband is going to get home but in some situations it may not be possible for him to text. If he is a surgeon, and an interesting/educational operation is being performed that otherwise he would rarely be able to attend, or the operation over-runs, he is likely to want to do this to make him a better surgeon, and he simply won't be able to text you because he is in theatre. I once had the site manager come to me because a doctor (in another specialty, so no idea why they were asking me) hadn't come home. I was on the point of suggesting a search of all cupboards/toilets etc when it turned out that an emergency had come in at the end of her shift and she had been assisting in an operation for almost 2 hours past her shift finish.

He may be stuck in a dead zone in the hospital.

You are not necessarily unreasonable to expect a text for being home significantly late, but you are unreasonable to expect to be texting regularly at work.

You say that he is hands on and involved when he's at home, so it's not like someone who is using you as a maid/nanny and not being involved in family life (just a reminder to all the non-doctors here that the average working week for a dr is a little under 48 hours, so a lot longer than most other jobs, so not as straightforward as saying "we both work full time").

ApiratesaysYarrr · 18/04/2025 20:55

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 17/04/2025 21:24

I don’t know what it’s like to work as a doctor in a hospital but I would bet plenty of money a mother doing the same job would manage to do more for her family.

I'm a doctor, I have kids, and I wouldn't want to be disturbed at work for non-urgent stuff (apart from the fact that there are some areas in the hospital where I work where it's impossible to get a good mobile signal).

What are you trying to contact him about?

Dogsbreath7 · 18/04/2025 20:31

If you split up you will be alone even more, much poorer and your DC will see even less of your DH. I think you are unreasonable to to expect him to be contacting you. However he will have breaks- legally needs to. Not unreasonable for him to do a quick check in and update on when he will be home.

You at least have friends- lean into that and make sure you are doing something fulfilling for yourself. Maybe like a job? Break up you will need one.

MaddestGranny · 18/04/2025 20:21

I did a job a bit like OP's husband. It wasn't Health Sector, which I"ve always believed demands & drains the most from its workers.
But it was in public service. I worked and slept. It was what I did.
That was because a) I wanted to do well/do a good job/serve, and b) because there was no other way to manage the workload but to keep on keeping on working and shoving the rock up the hill (+ I was the only/main breadwinner).
If, OP, you are on board with DH's territory (? health, education, social good?), then you have, maybe, to examine your motives and look honestly at yourself.
If his realities are not yours, then you have a real and deep problem.
If you haven't done a balance between what you need to 'input' against what your 'gains' might be, then I would suggest you should start soon.

Not everyone is driven by love of material goodies.
Some people are moved by notions of worth, intrinsic good and what life is worth living for.

JungAtHeart · 18/04/2025 19:31

My exH was an in investment banker. I lost track of the number of times I was left waiting around for him. When our DDs were born he left it all to me … and like you it appeared I was so lucky! SAHM. Nice lifestyle etc. That wasn’t enough for me personally. I’m a role model to my DDs. There was no way I wanted them to grow up learning that Dads can behave however they like and Mums make up all the shortfalls. Money didn’t come into it! One of the first things I did when we separated was take them to Disney. On my own.

BlackStrayCat · 18/04/2025 19:08

Is it your DH or your long term boyfriend? This is the much, much more important question.

Roxietrees · 18/04/2025 18:55

Probably been said by PPs but your DC is only 3 so he must’ve had a similar workload and shift pattern before DC, didn’t you consider that before you had kids? Sorry, I think your friends are right, if you didn’t agree to change anything pre DC it’s not fair to resent him for his career now, hospital doctors work crazy hours, which of course you know, and if he’s hands on when he is with DC what more can you expect really? I’d feel pretty hard done by if I was him and you left after I’d tried my best to provide for my family and be as hands on as possible when I was there and you hadn’t mentioned you might not want it that way before having kids. I’m very against traditional family roles and gender stereotypes etc but it was you who chose this set-up. It’s not fair to blame him now that you’ve changed your mind

JJWT · 18/04/2025 18:51

If I or my child was in hospital I wouldn't want the doctor focused on anything else whatsoever. I am a teacher. During my A level lessons the country could be invaded and I'd not know a thing. I literally do not look at my phone even once over a full teaching day. Jobs that require a high degree of high level thinking occupy you completely. However unlike me it sounds like your guy gets well compensated!! You must surely see the benefit of that? Could you reduce your hours in light of how much he earns, so that you feel less swamped?

croydon15 · 18/04/2025 18:50

Your DH is a doctor, you knew that before you had a child you are BU did you expect him to change his job, you said that he's hands on when home so you either accept the situation or separate.

FridayFeelingmidweek · 18/04/2025 18:31

Maybe sit down and talk about 5 year plan - could he go p/t so you could develop your career?

While many are saying 'what do you expect married to a doctor', I think you could end up very resentful that your life isn't developing. Good job you're married though, at least if it ends you'll be able to get back your loss of earnings and pension while you prop up his career. Too many women don't consider this.

hcee19 · 18/04/2025 18:28

He cannot possibly ring/text you when he is working. Honestly, we do not get a minute, it is full on. He will be shattered both mentally and physically when he does get home. Be thankful for what you have got and, not moan about what you haven't....

faerietales · 18/04/2025 18:20

Ejvd · 18/04/2025 17:45

Hoping this doesn't feel like I'm picking on you. But that's possibly what her husband would say to her, so it's worth responding to in case she reads it. It's not just a few text messages. It's her propping up family life to support his career. Coming home late even when its unnecessary. And the way he's behaving is making her unhappy, no matter how "trivial" somebody else might see it. So something needs to change.

If she is working then she shouldn't be propping up everything at home too. She shouldn't be putting up with that unfairness just because she's married to a dr (excuse me while I swoon). The almighty dr can pull his finger out at home.

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This is something they both should have discussed before bringing a child into the world, then.

Too many people have children and don't discuss what kind of impact it will have on their lives.

LoobyLott · 18/04/2025 18:15

My GP was a hospital doctor but swapped to being a GP when she had children so she could be home with them after they finished school / put them to bed etc.

It's a very different job with different hours. And its not for everyone.

Maybe you and your DH can talk about his career hopes in the long term and figure out if this may be a possibility.

Ejvd · 18/04/2025 17:45

faerietales · 18/04/2025 17:21

Well, maybe if several people have misinterpreted you, you didn't word it properly to begin with.

Yes, both people need to adapt but changing job is a pretty extreme reaction over what appears to a few text messages.

Hoping this doesn't feel like I'm picking on you. But that's possibly what her husband would say to her, so it's worth responding to in case she reads it. It's not just a few text messages. It's her propping up family life to support his career. Coming home late even when its unnecessary. And the way he's behaving is making her unhappy, no matter how "trivial" somebody else might see it. So something needs to change.

If she is working then she shouldn't be propping up everything at home too. She shouldn't be putting up with that unfairness just because she's married to a dr (excuse me while I swoon). The almighty dr can pull his finger out at home.

faerietales · 18/04/2025 17:21

Ejvd · 18/04/2025 17:13

Omg I didn't say give up his career! You're the 2nd one today implying that changing roles/job equates changing career. It does not. There are plenty of options for the man to pursue in his field that don't involve his wife putting up with this behaviour.

You might be so impressed by the idea of being married to a dr that you are OK with being abandoned to do all the domestic/childcare, but she doesn't have to be. Having a baby changes things. They both need to adapt and accomodate family life - not just her.

Well, maybe if several people have misinterpreted you, you didn't word it properly to begin with.

Yes, both people need to adapt but changing job is a pretty extreme reaction over what appears to a few text messages.

Ejvd · 18/04/2025 17:13

faerietales · 18/04/2025 17:01

And she knew he was a doctor before deciding to have a child with him - it works both ways. Expecting him to give up his career over this is, frankly, bonkers.

Omg I didn't say give up his career! You're the 2nd one today implying that changing roles/job equates changing career. It does not. There are plenty of options for the man to pursue in his field that don't involve his wife putting up with this behaviour.

You might be so impressed by the idea of being married to a dr that you are OK with being abandoned to do all the domestic/childcare, but she doesn't have to be. Having a baby changes things. They both need to adapt and accomodate family life - not just her.

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 18/04/2025 17:02

SallySooo · 18/04/2025 16:57

@Ammamamami want you to think very carefully about how much your Disneyland trip is costing and then think about how many hours work it requires to fund that. Why does your partner need to be home early the night before? You’re home. You’re an adult. Prepare your own bag and your child’s bag and go to bed.

How patronising of you to assume the OP needs her partner to fund the trip. She clearly states in the OP that she works too.

faerietales · 18/04/2025 17:01

Ejvd · 18/04/2025 13:35

He needs a job with more suitable hours. As you say, the extra money is not worth the negative aspect of his current role.

Money isn't everything. He'd probably make a decent enough wage if he pivoted to a role with more more family friendly hours and expectations.

So no need to bin him off completely, it's just time for a job change. Him bringing in more money doesn't justify you doing more domestic and childcare work. You can pro rata those duties between you depending on your contracted hours.

Maybe your friends don't get it because they would work those extra domestic hours for the nicer lifestyle. But you don't have to do that. It doesn't sound fair to me if I have understood the situation clearly.

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And she knew he was a doctor before deciding to have a child with him - it works both ways. Expecting him to give up his career over this is, frankly, bonkers.