to put a positive spin on going to the male toilets if I must

Many female people with transgender identities do not have penises. The few who have had surgeries have appendages that they have to manually pump up that really do not operate like a penis except that the appendage might have the urethra stretched to be able to urinate out of the tip.

Plus we have had female people with transgender identities who have taken testosterone who have told us that they hate been weaponised in the way you are now doing. Of course, there are some who are making these type of intimidating comments to cause fear in some female people who will not be able to understand that the person is female.

Those posters have also told us that they go to great lengths to find alternative toilet solutions because they do no wish to cause other female people distress with the changes they have sought through testosterone.

You chose to have a surgery without knowing what exactly was being done to you?

Lots of positives there OP.

But also by using the toilets that correspond with your sex, you are also allowing female people to have their own single sex space. Thank you.

You must have had many years using them previously so they'll be familiar to you. That's an advantage.

No, there will be large bearded women in the women’s bathrooms.

No transman has a penis.

I don't think they are going to have to. This ruling doesn't have anything to do with loos beyond recognising the word "woman" refers to biological women. Why this is making some people so upset I don't know.

A unisex/gender fluid loo for people is an important option,I think. I would only ever use women's loos, never mixed sex ones, but I think it would be good to have this option as commonplace.

Where on earth have you managed to accumulate “dozens” of trans friends? I thought they were supposed to be a tiny minority if the general population?
Your last point, regarding the majority of trans men having penises is nonsense, I’m sure.

Oh we can always tell…yeah, no you can’t. I know literally dozens of trans people who you’d never suspect a thing about. It WILL out them when they have to use the bathroom for their biological sex though.

the thing no one ever talks about when they want to protect women’s spaces…what about transmen? This ruling will mean there will be large bearded men in the women’s bathrooms. If it’s having a penis that bothers you, many of them have penises. How is that better??

Do you always think of things in how they affect you personally, as though you were the only one who mattered?

This woman feels nothing but empathy for OP. it doesn’t hurt me in any way for her to use the women’s toilets.

Making them unisex would be just as much work as installing a third option as legally they would need to be separate enclosed cubicles with floor to ceiling walls and a separate hand basin.

If you don't understand why transwomen being excluded from using female toilets is a good thing, I suggest you do some research or merely think a bit longer.

Oh OP, you must have known this would be a pile on?

For a positive spin.. no need to share mirrors?

Fingers crossed for a safe and not piss smelling 3rd space to be made mainstream.

No.

A man who loses his penis in an accident doesn't become a woman.

How it is relevant to the thread is that someone being trans isn't going to make me feel unsafe in a public space like a bathroom
That’s fine for you.
You don’t get to speak for all women, though, so I don’t see your post as relevant at all.

@Annascaul no, it can happen any time any place anywhere because I have complex PTSD.
How it is relevant to the thread is that someone being trans isn't going to make me feel unsafe in a public space like a bathroom.
I completely get what @Definitelynamechanged123 means about yucky hygiene in men's toilets. She shouldn't feel pressured to revert to using them. Just like I shouldn't feel socially pressured to stand in a queue when the men's toilets are empty. So the answer which is inclusive of everyone is that you have some men's, some women's, some for anyone.

Many people will, whether you agree or not, think that this is cruel, and puts transpeople at risk. Many people will also agree with the sentiment and the law - that women only spaces should be protected. So what is the lazy solution? Avoid creating women only spaces.

Course it fucking matters. Choosing to cut your knob off isn’t a disability.

The alternative is to use the facilities in line with their sex?

My daughter and I were talking about this earlier after listening to a discussion on the radio. We go to lots of gigs and were saying that using the men’s loos at least avoids the queues for the ladies.
Good luck. Hope all goes well and that this is a bonus for you.

Don't worry - management (mostly male) are not going to prioritise a safe 3rd space in places like hospital wards and toilets, so instead will take the lazy option and increasingly make them unisex anyway. I don't know why transwomen being excluded from female toilets is being celebrated as a good thing. Long term, it helps nobody, without a legal right to an alternative.

He'd just be a male, I'm not sure what the term 'male bodied' is all about. It would be a pretty offensive term to a man who had lost his genitalia through cancer, just as it would be for a woman who had a double mastectomy.

I used to work with two trans women who used male toilets for the 10 years I worked with them (at work and socially).

They did not encounter any issues with their fellow men.

They appreciated the lack of queues.

At work they (according to the other males in the workplace) raised the bar on the male facilities by pulling some men up on their overall lack of hygiene etc that made the male toilets better for all men using them.

From memory “aim spots” were put in the toilets and urinals and like the women they instigated their own toilet “kitty”.

Ours was for sanipro, nice handwash/lotion and deodorant and they used their kitty in a similar fashion (obvs minus the sanipro).

(Yes it would be nice if that was free, but the crappy drying hand soap was awful).