Trans people

If I just say women referring to everyone in this topic it gets confusing soon enough

No, it doesn't get confusing. Not in the least.

All of us on this thread know exactly what a woman is.

Even those posters who are trying to tell us that TWAW.

They always reveal themselves

TBH, I know more transmen than transwomen.
they'd certainly cause a few shrieks & uproar if they joined the queue for the women's loos, or used a female changing room.

And here is some nice misogyny. Thanks

It is a meaningless term. And it forces people into false categories of philosophical belief.

Why would you use a term that was pressed into a usage that it was not created for and is a poor fit, while being false and inaccurate?

I didn’t realise I was going to cause this much pearl clutching, jesus.

Here on Mumsnet.

Well then " other " the trans women.

There is absolutely no need for cis.

Refer to men as men and women as women, much simpler, no issues at all.

If you really need to differentiate a 'trans identity' then 'trans identified man' should do the trick.

I strongly object to the use of 'cis'. It is an unnecessary and pointless prefix that only serves to denegrade Women.

No, I’m not a man, thanks.

What? “Here” where? It’s a pretty common term.

@Helleofabore I agree, to be honest - most women will know and experience that a public toilet is far more than just to go in and out to pee. I hate mixed toilets with a passion and never feel safe in them.

Hell, I don’t even like male workers in them.

You're not free to use a slur, and cis is considered a slur here and may get you deleted. HTH.

I wish more women understood how many of these men have a urination fetish. It's pretty obvious from the popularity of transgender toilet porn. Women and girls are not to be offered up as wank fodder for them.

Yep, the post above yours is a case in point!

Apparently, it is absolutely what women do. They lay on an airport toilet floor and shove a dilator into their vaginas for 20 odd minutes if I remember correctly.

On a disabled toilet floor.

You can tell in about a nanosecond whether someone is male or not.

And you’re free to do that… in your own comments lol I am free to type however I see fit thankyouverymuch

Women and transwomen will cover it.

I have not read the thread yet, but @Mog65 you seem to have several falsehoods in your post.

One showing that perhaps you are not really well informed.

The woman in the next bed, identifies as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed!

No female phalloplasty is a 'fully working' penis. If someone told you it was, you mustn't believe them. Firstly they require a pump installed to simulate an erection. Secondly, they are not attached to testicles to ejaculate anything, let alone semen.

Plus the success rate is horrendous. I can get you at least one review that shows a very poor rate of success and a very high rate of very serious complications for the rest of that female person's life. Maybe George is in hospital because their phalloplasty needs further medical treatment?

But now you are also leveraging other female people to create potential fear in female people who might not understand that George is female too. Why would you do this?

Then there is this.

'In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.'

Actually female people use a public toilet toilet for more than to 'pee'. Female people use toilets for much more.

And yes, actually I have had times when I have had to sit there in a public toilet in full public view with my knickers at my ankles because I had a pram / pushchair jammed in the door. My mum has had to do this too because there was a time that I had her out shopping and the disabled toilet was not available and I had to take her to the female toilets. I couldn't leave her to move her wheelchair, so there she sat with her knickers at her ankles.

It’s obviously sufficient on day to day, but if we’re talking trans/non trans it just helps understand what we’re all on about

If I just say women referring to everyone in this topic it gets confusing soon enough

Yeah this is what they think being a woman is, taking your knickers off and spreading your legs. Genuinely. And iirc he was flying from London to Scotland, and dilation only needs to be done twice a day, so he had no need at all to be blocking use of the accessible toilet, because he didn't need to do it til after he got home.

(Whisper it) It's a fetish.

Quite so. That's always my first thought on arriving at Gatwick.

'Cis' means identifying with gendered expectations of your sex. I have no idea why any woman would identify with that. At best it's a narrow stereotype like being a trad wife, at worst it's oppressive..

Trans people have full human rights because they are human. They have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment and just like everyone else they have sex based protections because of their biological sex and age based protections because of their age etc. etc. It's not clear why you would think otherwise.

Call the Midwife is a really good starting point for anyone who wants to understand why women need sex specific rights. If you have benefited from maternity leave and access to contraception you are benefiting from rights that women didn't have 50 years ago. If you don't have those rights, you don't work and you cannot be independent. You cannot defend these rights if you can't talk about women as a sex class.

I don't know what you mean when you say 'trans women are women'. Being female does not confer value or imply a particular personality or sexuality. We have value and rights because we are human. Trans women are very clearly not women , otherwise they wouldn't be trans.

Maybe you haven't though much about feminism before?